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My thoughts exactly 🤣 But to be honest, I also like the thought of him with Lizzy as well. She's adorable. 😀

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[quote=veve][quote=tartufo]Ain't it already happening? 🤣

Lolz! Same question. 😀

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[quote=ForteAtrox]No...
I would be greatly disturbed if it did...
It'd totally go against the story of this manga.

don´t forget the mangaka used to draw yaoi and kuroshitsuji was also planned as yaoi. it´s not really against the story fufufufu still it won´t happen because it´s shounen

I didn't know it was planned to be yaoi. Thank you for the info! 🙂

it was thanks to the editor that it didn´t become one. s/he said the story would be to good for BL and decided to turn it into shounen. i got the info from here, donßt know about the original source
maybe toboso-sensei makes a doujin, like some female authors Coughgravitationcough
but in the end, more people can enjoy it as shounen. imagine the faces of the male readers if sebastian and ciel would suddenly kiss or confess. half of the readers would be gone[/quote]

Too good for BL? I hope the editor didn't mean the BL (and other mature genres) don't have good and/or deep plots.[/quote]
no, not that i think. to good to be only read by yaoi readers. it is better to let it be available for a larger audience without BL as for a much smaller audience with BL. it seems the story concept was really really good so it would be a shame if that compared less readers could enjoy it
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I doubt they'd be less, also it could be made shoujo instead and then BL hints to be put freely. Then it would have shoujo and BL fans.

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[quote=ShadowSakura][quote=veve][quote=tartufo]Ain't it already happening? 🤣

Lolz! Same question. 😀

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[quote=ForteAtrox]No...
I would be greatly disturbed if it did...
It'd totally go against the story of this manga.

don´t forget the mangaka used to draw yaoi and kuroshitsuji was also planned as yaoi. it´s not really against the story fufufufu still it won´t happen because it´s shounen

I didn't know it was planned to be yaoi. Thank you for the info! 🙂

it was thanks to the editor that it didn´t become one. s/he said the story would be to good for BL and decided to turn it into shounen. i got the info from here, donßt know about the original source
maybe toboso-sensei makes a doujin, like some female authors Coughgravitationcough
but in the end, more people can enjoy it as shounen. imagine the faces of the male readers if sebastian and ciel would suddenly kiss or confess. half of the readers would be gone[/quote]

Too good for BL? I hope the editor didn't mean the BL (and other mature genres) don't have good and/or deep plots.[/quote]
no, not that i think. to good to be only read by yaoi readers. it is better to let it be available for a larger audience without BL as for a much smaller audience with BL. it seems the story concept was really really good so it would be a shame if that compared less readers could enjoy it
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I doubt they'd be less, also it could be made shoujo instead and then BL hints to be put freely. Then it would have shoujo and BL fans.[/quote]

But girls tend to read either shounen or shoujo, so it's a much larger audience. Smart move, Toboso-san.

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[quote=veve][quote=ShadowSakura][quote=veve][quote=tartufo]Ain't it already happening? 🤣

Lolz! Same question. 😀

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[quote=ForteAtrox]No...
I would be greatly disturbed if it did...
It'd totally go against the story of this manga.

don´t forget the mangaka used to draw yaoi and kuroshitsuji was also planned as yaoi. it´s not really against the story fufufufu still it won´t happen because it´s shounen

I didn't know it was planned to be yaoi. Thank you for the info! 🙂

it was thanks to the editor that it didn´t become one. s/he said the story would be to good for BL and decided to turn it into shounen. i got the info from here, donßt know about the original source
maybe toboso-sensei makes a doujin, like some female authors Coughgravitationcough
but in the end, more people can enjoy it as shounen. imagine the faces of the male readers if sebastian and ciel would suddenly kiss or confess. half of the readers would be gone[/quote]

Too good for BL? I hope the editor didn't mean the BL (and other mature genres) don't have good and/or deep plots.[/quote]
no, not that i think. to good to be only read by yaoi readers. it is better to let it be available for a larger audience without BL as for a much smaller audience with BL. it seems the story concept was really really good so it would be a shame if that compared less readers could enjoy it
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I doubt they'd be less, also it could be made shoujo instead and then BL hints to be put freely. Then it would have shoujo and BL fans.[/quote]

But girls tend to read either shounen or shoujo, so it's a much larger audience. Smart move, Toboso-san.
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boys don´t tend to read BL and many avoid shoujo, so it is much larger. i have alone 4 male kurofans in my class. they wouldn´t be if it was shoujo or bl

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[quote=ShadowSakura][quote=veve][quote=ShadowSakura][quote=veve][quote=tartufo]Ain't it already happening? 🤣

Lolz! Same question. 😀

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[quote=ForteAtrox]No...
I would be greatly disturbed if it did...
It'd totally go against the story of this manga.

don´t forget the mangaka used to draw yaoi and kuroshitsuji was also planned as yaoi. it´s not really against the story fufufufu still it won´t happen because it´s shounen

I didn't know it was planned to be yaoi. Thank you for the info! 🙂

it was thanks to the editor that it didn´t become one. s/he said the story would be to good for BL and decided to turn it into shounen. i got the info from here, donßt know about the original source
maybe toboso-sensei makes a doujin, like some female authors Coughgravitationcough
but in the end, more people can enjoy it as shounen. imagine the faces of the male readers if sebastian and ciel would suddenly kiss or confess. half of the readers would be gone[/quote]

Too good for BL? I hope the editor didn't mean the BL (and other mature genres) don't have good and/or deep plots.[/quote]
no, not that i think. to good to be only read by yaoi readers. it is better to let it be available for a larger audience without BL as for a much smaller audience with BL. it seems the story concept was really really good so it would be a shame if that compared less readers could enjoy it
[/quote]

I doubt they'd be less, also it could be made shoujo instead and then BL hints to be put freely. Then it would have shoujo and BL fans.[/quote]

But girls tend to read either shounen or shoujo, so it's a much larger audience. Smart move, Toboso-san.
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boys don´t tend to read BL and many avoid shoujo, so it is much larger. i have alone 4 male kurofans in my class. they wouldn´t be if it was shoujo or bl[/quote]

Fortunately the other BL/GL mangakas are not that "smart". Because then the diversity of genres wouldn't exist.

I meant it bc imo the female manga fans are more than the male. But this is off-topic.

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Ain't it already happening? 🤣

Lolz! Same question. 😀

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[quote=ForteAtrox]No...
I would be greatly disturbed if it did...
It'd totally go against the story of this manga.

don´t forget the mangaka used to draw yaoi and kuroshitsuji was also planned as yaoi. it´s not really against the story fufufufu still it won´t happen because it´s shounen

I didn't know it was planned to be yaoi. Thank you for the info! 🙂

it was thanks to the editor that it didn´t become one. s/he said the story would be to good for BL and decided to turn it into shounen. i got the info from here, donßt know about the original source
maybe toboso-sensei makes a doujin, like some female authors Coughgravitationcough
but in the end, more people can enjoy it as shounen. imagine the faces of the male readers if sebastian and ciel would suddenly kiss or confess. half of the readers would be gone[/quote]

lol, I have to say, I highly doubt half of the Kuro readers are male.

hmmm cielxSebastian..?
I've already watched the anime season1..
although i havent seen the 2nd
season..i really love their masterXservant relationship..
But i don't mind if their relationship
goes beyond that..haha
😀

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Too good for BL? I hope the editor didn't mean the BL (and other mature genres) don't have good and/or deep plots. Their focus is another but they do have interesting plots.

What was said later on in the discussion might be true too but i'm pretty sure the editor meant from business POV.
We all know that BL works are usually extremely short and not many get to have more than 5 volumes and even getting to number 5 in BL world is quite an accomplishment.
As for Kuroshitsuji being as it is it sold off well from beginning, first reliable info say its was way over 500k copies sold for vol. 4. And to make comparison, Junjou Romatica currently being one of best selling BL titles managed to pass obligatory 100k copies sold mark at it wasn't until vol. 11 that that happened. (I'm saying obligatory because for most mangas that are not into obscure genres 100k sold copies is something that tells the author his/her work is popular and its selling enough to not worry about magazine cutting his/her work off)
So yeah personally i think it was meant from business POV

On to the topic... i'd actually be highly disappointed if this paring would become canon.
And i think somebody mentioned the episode from anime where picture of Ciel was taken and Sebastian appeared next to him.
I did not discuss it but i liked a conclusion that certain part of the fandom came to. Its said that the camera suppose to show things that are important which is different than love. This said Sebastian appears on Ciels picture only because Ciel considers him as most important factor on his way to achieve goal. Parents sure are important but them and their existence cannot hep him get what he wants.
The way Ciel is i pretty much agree with it 🙂

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On to the topic... i'd actually be highly disappointed if this paring would become canon.
And i think somebody mentioned the episode from anime where picture of Ciel was taken and Sebastian appeared next to him.
I did not discuss it but i liked a conclusion that certain part of the fandom came to. Its said that the camera suppose to show things that are important which is different than love. This said Sebastian appears on Ciels picture only because Ciel considers him as most important factor on his way to achieve goal. Parents sure are important but them and their existence cannot hep him get what he wants.
The way Ciel is i pretty much agree with it 🙂

While it's true that his parents can't get him what he wants, one of the main reasons he wants revenge in the first place is for them. He's trying to avenge their deaths, not only kill the people who tortured him. Therefore, even more than Sebastian, shouldn't his parents be most important?

Maybe if Ciel were like 5 years older or something, but until then I would just find it very unsettling. In fact I find the existing doujinshi very unsettling... (although I have no problem with Sebastian and anyone else 😛 ). I don't think the author will go that way either because after so many chapters it would cheapen the story.

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Maybe if Ciel were like 5 years older or something, but until then I would just find it very unsettling. In fact I find the existing doujinshi very unsettling... (although I have no problem with Sebastian and anyone else 😛 ). I don't think the author will go that way either because after so many chapters it would cheapen the story.

The funny thing is, though, even if Ciel were 5 years older, they would still have an age difference of like thousands of years. Just saying that in comparison to Sebastian's life, whether Ciel is 13 or 18 or 42 makes no difference, really. Sebastian's always going to be way older.

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Maybe if Ciel were like 5 years older or something, but until then I would just find it very unsettling. In fact I find the existing doujinshi very unsettling... (although I have no problem with Sebastian and anyone else 😛 ). I don't think the author will go that way either because after so many chapters it would cheapen the story.

The funny thing is, though, even if Ciel were 5 years older, they would still have an age difference of like thousands of years. Just saying that in comparison to Sebastian's life, whether Ciel is 13 or 18 or 42 makes no difference, really. Sebastian's always going to be way older.

Well it's not really the age difference that bothers me, it is that Ciel is basically a child. I am certain that morals would not matter at all to a demon, but it would still not be my thing.

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Maybe if Ciel were like 5 years older or something, but until then I would just find it very unsettling. In fact I find the existing doujinshi very unsettling... (although I have no problem with Sebastian and anyone else 😛 ). I don't think the author will go that way either because after so many chapters it would cheapen the story.

The funny thing is, though, even if Ciel were 5 years older, they would still have an age difference of like thousands of years. Just saying that in comparison to Sebastian's life, whether Ciel is 13 or 18 or 42 makes no difference, really. Sebastian's always going to be way older.

Well it's not really the age difference that bothers me, it is that Ciel is basically a child. I am certain that morals would not matter at all to a demon, but it would still not be my thing.

What part of Ciel makes you think of a child? Personally, I think he stopped being a child on his tenth birthday. He certainly acts more mature than most adults.

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[quote=Magdalena]Maybe if Ciel were like 5 years older or something, but until then I would just find it very unsettling. In fact I find the existing doujinshi very unsettling... (although I have no problem with Sebastian and anyone else 😛 ). I don't think the author will go that way either because after so many chapters it would cheapen the story.

The funny thing is, though, even if Ciel were 5 years older, they would still have an age difference of like thousands of years. Just saying that in comparison to Sebastian's life, whether Ciel is 13 or 18 or 42 makes no difference, really. Sebastian's always going to be way older.

Well it's not really the age difference that bothers me, it is that Ciel is basically a child. I am certain that morals would not matter at all to a demon, but it would still not be my thing.

What part of Ciel makes you think of a child? Personally, I think he stopped being a child on his tenth birthday. He certainly acts more mature than most adults.[/quote]

If you think he acts more mature than most adults, then I think you should get to know more adults. Ciel being a child is part of his character, and he truly depends on Sebastian to do or fix just about everything. I'm not going to get into it any further, as all of the same arguments can be found in opposition to the group NAMBLA. Again, just my opinion. It is possible to like this series and not really be into Shotacon.

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[quote=unusuallove][quote=Magdalena]Maybe if Ciel were like 5 years older or something, but until then I would just find it very unsettling. In fact I find the existing doujinshi very unsettling... (although I have no problem with Sebastian and anyone else 😛 ). I don't think the author will go that way either because after so many chapters it would cheapen the story.

The funny thing is, though, even if Ciel were 5 years older, they would still have an age difference of like thousands of years. Just saying that in comparison to Sebastian's life, whether Ciel is 13 or 18 or 42 makes no difference, really. Sebastian's always going to be way older.

Well it's not really the age difference that bothers me, it is that Ciel is basically a child. I am certain that morals would not matter at all to a demon, but it would still not be my thing.

What part of Ciel makes you think of a child? Personally, I think he stopped being a child on his tenth birthday. He certainly acts more mature than most adults.[/quote]

If you think he acts more mature than most adults, then I think you should get to know more adults. Ciel being a child is part of his character, and he truly depends on Sebastian to do or fix just about everything. I'm not going to get into it any further, as all of the same arguments can be found in opposition to the group NAMBLA. Again, just my opinion. It is possible to like this series and not really be into Shotacon.
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I mean most adults in the manga. You can tell he's more mature than them by his interactions with them, and how he often looks down on/patronizes them. Your age doesn't make you mature; your experiences do, and I think the fact that Ciel has experienced more trauma than most of the people he interacts with is what gives him the ability to be more mature than them, despite his age.

Anyway, perhaps he relies on Sebastian, but the reason why he still comes off as mature to me, is because he recognizes this, and doesn't try to lie to himself about his dependence on Sebastian. Instead, he uses Sebastian strategically. An immature person wouldn't acknowledge his dependence on someone else.