Usually, Yaoi and Yuri contents are smuts.
They are homosexual version of Hintai
In case of Yaoi, it's like a Hintai for woman.
Majority of people (i think) read Yaoi and Yuri for their...um...sexual gratification

Most readers of Yaoi are woman, and drawn for their taste.
The characters are usually bishi, expecially the uke, with their famine complextion, narrow chin, and slim wrists. They tend to deny their homosexuality, often refering to their homosexual relationship as "he is special" or something along the line. Therefore, they maintain the idea of "love" and "innocence"
Rarely are yaoi created for the sake of actual gay people, and most gay find yaoi highly unrealistic.

I don't know much about Yuri, but from what I've heard, they're targeted toward men.
and by having woman have relationship with eachother, it maintain the sence of purity and innocence, while having the smut. different from hintai which portray men.

Of course, this does not appply for all Yaoi/Yuri, I'm preety sure there are realistic yaoi/Yuri out there somewhere, and i have heard of new genre of Yaoi that's aimed toward gay men. but I'm talking about this in general. You have to agree that this is the major stereotype in yaoi/yuri. and the yaoi/yuri reader doesn't dislike stereotype.

So, if the Yaoi/Yuri culture are using homosexualism as a way to portray sex, and they're more fantasy-like story than anything real, doesn't that mean we're contributing to the discrimination of homosexuality and deepening the steriotype aginst them?
Moreover, we're using it for sexual gratification, and for female that read yaoi and male that read yuri, it's a form of entertainment that has nothing to do with their sexual oriantaion.
Expecially yaoi, since now days it's become the norm for main character to get raped and develop a budding love afterward like nothing happened.

Or, are we less discriminating aginst them because we're getting used to the idea of homosexulaim, instead of downright saying "that's gross"?

it would be nice if the stories were more realistic and less fantasy, and rape is something that you dont "Just Recover" from within moments under normal circumstances. but thats the same for any story, whether its yaoi, yuri, or "Normal".

im a huge fan of yuri but i prefer to only read the realistic ones, which always allllways are NOT shounen, if its shounen it just will not be realistic.

however i do think ones that are less realistic and more fantasy have a higher chance of changing someones point of view... for the better (as long as they dont start believing in aliens, time travelers, and espers... <_<)

if you dislike gay people IRL, do not read yuri or yaoi for entertainment please, both IRL and not IRL or neither.

Do I think yaoi can be offensive to gay men? YES. Stereotypical? I dunno.
Sadly, I don't really care. I like it anyway >.>

Yaoi is rarely like gay relationships are in real life...in fact I read somewhere
that most gay couples don't have anal sex.

Yaoi may contain some...a lot...of misconceptions (shoujo, too),
but for me it's just something I enjoy.
So I can't really answer for the rest of the world.

Yuri is not at all like lesbian porn. So I would not say it has that feeling of "for men." Unless of course, there's a male involved like sometimes in hentai, but otherwise it definitely does not have that feeling that porn has.

I worry much more about Shoujo deepening the stereotypes about women,
than I do about some Fantasy Yaoi with men, and being female I can rarely
empathize with them.

I don't think Yaoi is going to have half of the impact on gay men that Shoujo has on girls.
Ok...Take the amount of people that read manga, then figure out how many of them are male, and then figure how many of them read yaoi, and lastly...how many of them are gay? Not all guys that read it are gay, so I wonder.

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but would we, as a woman, feel offended by the way Hintai portray woman?
more often than not woman are portrayed as object, and barely no love is involved.

aren't we doing the same thing by reading yaoi?

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but would we, as a woman, feel offended by the way Hintai portray woman?
more often than not woman are portrayed as object, and barely no love is involved.

aren't we doing the same thing by reading yaoi?

Not only limited to just Yaoi, Yuri and all kinds of Hentai, any manga in fact gives the audience false stereotype of people in general. So if you want to get rid of all these nonsense, start by burning all of manga in the world. Then deleting all the anime. Then move on to books and any media. In fact, movies are very bad to audience. Makes them stupid with some Hollywood egotistical freak who thinks they know everything by reading Wikipedia for an hour.

Interviewer: "Have you personally been there?"
Director/writers: "No, but I have read 2nd hand materials, such as Wikipedia.....and News..."

The problem isn't the media, the problem is that the general public is too ignorant to know bad media information when they see it. I'm sure if the mass suddenly actually become smart over night, Hollywood would go bankrupt along with some major media figures...

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

I don't think its a bad thing as it is fantasy.
It isn't real. Of course it can be offensive but I mean a lot of things are anyways.

@BoxBox: As a future director I'm kinda offended by your comment.
Joking. But seriously from my point of view sometimes its easier that way.
I want to make a movie on dancers... but have never danced. Do I just not make the movie? No. But I would at least research it more then wikipedia.

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I don't think its a bad thing as it is fantasy.
It isn't real. Of course it can be offensive but I mean a lot of things are anyways.

@BoxBox: As a future director I'm kinda offended by your comment.
Joking. But seriously from my point of view sometimes its easier that way.
I want to make a movie on dancers... but have never danced. Do I just not make the movie? No. But I would at least research it more then wikipedia.

Basically yeah, you don't know and isn't qualified to direct true movies on dancing. It's like telling a rocket scientist that you can understand what he does without even getting a Bachelor in astrophysics...

Like I said, few directors/writer actually write true movies, everything else is based on their so called "research"[Even though research implies you are an expert in that field] and a lot of their imagination.

Just imagine the rage on those famous dancers who worked half their life practicing and then directors come along and said "Based on my own amusement and desire, I will make a movie on dancing, but I don't know dancing. I will read some stuff, maybe a book, and then use my imagination for the rest of it." I believe that dancer will have something to say about such an indignation about their occupation. Such an action implies such occupation can be required and mastered otherwise than hard work and lots of practice.

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

I think there's a very real danger of contributing to stereotyping, even while some BL manga help break down stereotypes and bias. There's certainly objectification of men's bodies in the more pornographic kinds of yaoi, even though the objectification is more of men in general than of homosexual men. There's the odd twist of the reader being expected to identify with the man being raped or otherwise the most objectified (the so-called uke), which is different from, say, lolicon where the reader does not identify with the child. Is it really objectification if the reader empathizes with the objectified character as a person and not just as an object, I'm not sure. There are many things going on, and it's complicated.

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I am far more offended and annoyed by the rape and rape = love crap in yaoi than any hentai portraying sex without love. I don't care whether so-called love is involved. It's just sex. As long as it's not rape, guro, etc, I am fine with that.

Its only discriminating if you like those BL and think it's realistic.

This can all be solved by not reading the shitty manga. 😐

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First, I think that the lack of realism you find in yaoi/yuri manga aren't limited to those genres. I think that the romantic relationships in stories in general are often idealised or stereotyped in some way. If you compare the romances of shounen/shoujo manga to real life romances you might have had in the past you'll probably find that they're indeed different.

Though, you need to think about who those stories are intended for. The target demographic. Mostly shounen/shoujo are aimed toward younger teens less experienced in these matters. Young enough to still fantasize and dream about "what could be". Of course they're going to be dramatic unrealistic stories full of drama or rosey romances.

As for yaoi/yuri, their unrealistic circumstances, unrealistic portrayal of homosexual relationships.. I don't really have any exprience when it comes to that, not being gay myself. However I think most if not all stories are written to entertain the reader. These are mostlikely not events that have happened and are all created by the author for the purpose of telling the story. If they don't happen then the story can't progress.

As for the sexual gratification bit you brought up.. I don't read yaoi for that. Sure it is "stimulating" in an erotic sense but its not like I'm pulling my pants down and whipping it out 🤣

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well im gay and ive read both yaoi and yuri and ive never been affended just like strait people dont get affended by henti even though its unrealalistic too

and wihile i dont think it helps any sterotype i also think that thats impossible to avoide all sterotypeing and that people need to calm down and not get so affended by small things

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Here's a related topic to read: http://intersections.anu.edu.au/issue12/lunsing.html

I got that from Half-Baked Scanlations.

It's fiction for a reason. 😛