Have You Heard About the Swine Flu Yet?
16 years ago
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i heard you get it through unprotected sex with swine lol
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16 years ago
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rolf that was funny 🙂
16 years ago
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There are far more deadly and contagious things out there. Everyone is merely overreacting because it's "new." And the media just enjoys blowing things like this out of proportion.
16 years ago
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There are far more deadly and contagious things out there. Everyone is merely overreacting because it's "new." And the media just enjoys blowing things like this out of proportion.
i kno ryte cuz a sickness with no cure and that can kill you isn't that serious...Cough Cough Sarcasm Cough
i mean come on ya'lll...it's allergy season lol SMGDH
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16 years ago
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They just said on the news that the first confirmed case of swine flu in LA County has been reported... I'm starting to get worried about this myself..
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16 years ago
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I won't worry much...
unless this virus works like this
First you get a very strong flu that MAY kill you, but only if your immune system is weakened by external factors, nevertheless most of the people that get it won't die (but will spread it), anyway 4 or 5 months from now all the patients that got the virus N1H1 will start to drop dead, at first doctors won't know what exactly is happening, but after a few days/weeks they will come to the conclusion that once the virus N1H1 is attacked by the immunological system the virus mutates once again, this mutation is almost untraceable and spreads every time a person shares body fluids with another (even saliva), and once you get it, it will gestate for 7 to 12 days before start killing you, nothing seems to cure or slow the new virus because it mutates and adds to any kind of "cure" the scientist and medics can come with.
Anyway
People the N1H1 is NOT that dangerous on its own, but doctors fear its mutation capabilities, that is what is scary with new mutated virus, there is always the possibility that they will keep mutating until they become something horrible and capable of killing a couple of billions of people.
16 years ago
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Quote from Chaoswind
I won't worry much...
unless this virus works like this
First you get a very strong flu that MAY kill you, but only if your immune system is weakened by external factors, nevertheless most of the people that get it won't die (but will spread it), anyway 4 or 5 months from now all the patients that got the virus N1H1 will start to drop dead, at first doctors won't know what exactly is happening, but after a few days/weeks they will come to the conclusion that once the virus N1H1 is attacked by the immunological system the virus mutates once again, this mutation is almost untraceable and spreads every time a person shares body fluids with another (even saliva), and once you get it, it will gestate for 7 to 12 days before start killing you, nothing seems to cure or slow the new virus because it mutates and adds to any kind of "cure" the scientist and medics can come with.
Anyway
People the N1H1 is NOT that dangerous on its own, but doctors fear its mutation capabilities, that is what is scary with new mutated virus, there is always the possibility that they will keep mutating until they become something horrible and capable of killing a couple of billions of people.
dude...u should write horror stories cuz u just scared the S*** outa me lol 😐
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16 years ago
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I won't worry much...
unless this virus works like this
First you get a very strong flu that MAY kill you, but only if your immune system is weakened by external factors, nevertheless most of the people that get it won't die (but will spread it), anyway 4 or 5 months from now all the patients that got the virus N1H1 will start to drop dead, at first doctors won't know what exactly is happening, but after a few days/weeks they will come to the conclusion that once the virus N1H1 is attacked by the immunological system the virus mutates once again, this mutation is almost untraceable and spreads every time a person shares body fluids with another (even saliva), and once you get it, it will gestate for 7 to 12 days before start killing you, nothing seems to cure or slow the new virus because it mutates and adds to any kind of "cure" the scientist and medics can come with.
Anyway
People the N1H1 is NOT that dangerous on its own, but doctors fear its mutation capabilities, that is what is scary with new mutated virus, there is always the possibility that they will keep mutating until they become something horrible and capable of killing a couple of billions of people.
dude...u should write horror stories cuz u just scared the S*** outa me lol 😐
okay, I have to stop you guys right there.....that's NOT how mutation works. The bacteria doesn't just mutate on will power. It mutates on the random chance while reproducing. It's evolution. It may mutate into a more dangerous or more docile thing. It may just stay the same but just with a little different structure. The problem isn't because it's dangerous, the problem with flu is always because it mutates so there can't be a vaccine made.
Just for clarification, those simple life forms[actually there's being debate whether a virus is alive or not. Some people just think it's a protein] don't usually have intelligence. There are no vaccine for flu because there's so many strands. Each will mutate into a different form. I'll use the fly metaphor. Say you spray a bunch of fly infested area with chemical A that is designed to kill flies. It worked. It kills 95 percent of the flies. Now these 5 percent flies that are still alive is likely to have some sort of mutation against chemical A by random chance of nature and the wonders of evolution. So since there flies didn't die and have an immunity against the Chemical A, these flies will reproduce and their offsprings will carry this immunity. So the next time you use Chemical A, it's effect is neutralized dramatically. Often, here's where the scientists use Chemical B, a different chemical. It'll kill off 95 percent again and leave a different strand of 5 percent that is immune to Chemical B. Of course there is a tiny chance that you'll find the right chemical that no flies' mutation is immune against. In that case, all flies[100 percent] will be killed.
So we can see this a good comparison with flu.
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16 years ago
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Boxbox does have a point about the mutation deal, it is entirely random, so yeah, it definitely could get better or it could get worse.
And continuing with your fly+chemical example; when you find that you have flies that are immune to chem B, you then use both chem A+B, and you should get most of them; but then of course, there is always the chance that you create a super bug that isn't affected by either chem and now we've just gotta quarantine the area.
Honestly, it shouldn't be a debate whether or not viruses are alive or not, they can't be. They don't reproduce on their own, they can stick around in hostile (non-ideal) environments indefinitely in a dormant state and they almost don't even try to accurately copy their genomes.
16 years ago
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I won't worry much...
unless this virus works like this
First you get a very strong flu that MAY kill you, but only if your immune system is weakened by external factors, nevertheless most of the people that get it won't die (but will spread it), anyway 4 or 5 months from now all the patients that got the virus N1H1 will start to drop dead, at first doctors won't know what exactly is happening, but after a few days/weeks they will come to the conclusion that once the virus N1H1 is attacked by the immunological system the virus mutates once again, this mutation is almost untraceable and spreads every time a person shares body fluids with another (even saliva), and once you get it, it will gestate for 7 to 12 days before start killing you, nothing seems to cure or slow the new virus because it mutates and adds to any kind of "cure" the scientist and medics can come with.
Anyway
People the N1H1 is NOT that dangerous on its own, but doctors fear its mutation capabilities, that is what is scary with new mutated virus, there is always the possibility that they will keep mutating until they become something horrible and capable of killing a couple of billions of people.
dude...u should write horror stories cuz u just scared the S*** outa me lol 😐
okay, I have to stop you guys right there.....that's NOT how mutation works. The bacteria doesn't just mutate on will power. It mutates on the random chance while reproducing. It's evolution. It may mutate into a more dangerous or more docile thing. It may just stay the same but just with a little different structure. The problem isn't because it's dangerous, the problem with flu is always because it mutates so there can't be a vaccine made.
Just for clarification, those simple life forms[actually there's being debate whether a virus is alive or not. Some people just think it's a protein] don't usually have intelligence. There are no vaccine for flu because there's so many strands. Each will mutate into a different form. I'll use the fly metaphor. Say you spray a bunch of fly infested area with chemical A that is designed to kill flies. It worked. It kills 95 percent of the flies. Now these 5 percent flies that are still alive is likely to have some sort of mutation against chemical A by random chance of nature and the wonders of evolution. So since there flies didn't die and have an immunity against the Chemical A, these flies will reproduce and their offsprings will carry this immunity. So the next time you use Chemical A, it's effect is neutralized dramatically. Often, here's where the scientists use Chemical B, a different chemical. It'll kill off 95 percent again and leave a different strand of 5 percent that is immune to Chemical B. Of course there is a tiny chance that you'll find the right chemical that no flies' mutation is immune against. In that case, all flies[100 percent] will be killed.
So we can see this a good comparison with flu.
dude, Virus are not bacterias, virus replicate at a much faster rate AND work together (not saying Bacterias can't do it, but is well known that Bacterias tend to kill each other, meanwhile virus just replicate faster and leave the rest without means to replicate).
If a person is infected with a couple of viruses at the same time RNA reassortment can happen more easily and completely new strains of virus can emerge, RNA reassortment is more dangerous that random mutations because, well Mutations are random and once a virus mutates it can become less dangerous or more dangerous... RNA reassortment tends to just make the virus stronger/more capable...
The strength of the virus is their simple design, so when RNA reassortment happens it usually leads to more heavy viruses that can't replicate as fast as wild or mutated viruses, however, this rule is not absolute since during reassortment a virus can overwrite some parts of their RNA without adding a lot of changes (think about writhing a note pact, the more words it has the more heavy it is, but if instead of adding new words you just overwrite a couple of sentences in the document then the file maintains its weight and becomes more deadly, actually it may even reduce its weight greatly)
at least that is how I remember most virus work... though I could be wrong.
16 years ago
Posts: 32
I don't get why people freak out at this. We got specialist working everywhere (some 24/7) to work things out, and it's not like the virus will kill us all in a day or something.
Plus, the media are always good at instilling fear in your mind..After all, it's what they are trained and good at.
Anyway..this is actually a good way to die if you ask me. you might get your name written somewhere as "One of the first to fall to swine.."
16 years ago
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ya... Chaoswind is right here.
Anyways, I live in the US, very close to Mexico, where there are confirmed cases. As far as I know, just keep healthy habits and you're going to be okay. With the health care technology that's available in parts of the world where people probably have internet, you all probably won't die.
16 years ago
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Yeah, heard about it...
I live in a stupid country where certain fuck refuses it to be called the Swine Flu, and orders it to be called the "Spanish Flue" or something of the sort...
Because god forbid jews catching something caused by eating pigs/by pigs.F***er...
Seriously...Idiot...
The spanish flu occurred in the early 1900s, but I can understand them being compared; I believe they are the same strand of virus, or something similar...
But I doubt it will be such a large scale pandemic.
16 years ago
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Warn: Banned
@ Chaos
Well yeah....obviously bacteria and virus aren't the same...Oh I see. My bad for using the wrong word there. I'm just saying that's not how mutation works......that was the whole point of that....but umm read up on virus.....seems you have some misconceptions about virus too......I don't feel it appropriate in this thread to go off topic and discuss other things so that's the end of that part.
So everyone please turn to page 34, the paragraph where it reads "bacteria", cross it out and replace it with the word "virus" 🤣
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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.
16 years ago
Posts: 1310
exactly what is wrong with what I said? -_-
care to enlighten me?
I mean I wasn't the one that somehow mixed Bacterias with Virus, Virus don't reproduce per se, the best word to describe the process is replication.
Virus are very simple beings that do extremely complex task, heck mankind is brooding about nanomachines when mother nature already has bionanomachines in her arsenal and that is what virus are.
errr
Lets stay on topic
Virus can evolve in different ways, to with I only know two and those are random mutation (the bigger the capabilities of a virus to replicate the bigger the chances of mutations to occur) and controlled RNA exchange.
Random mutation implies that some mutations can be MUCH more harmful than the original or MUCH more benign, BUT in the end is a matter of fitness, If a Virus (no matter how strong it is) can't replicate as fast as a less powerful form of mutation this mutation, without matter how strong or resistant it is, will DIE OUT, but not because is not strong enough to kill/spread, but because in the race for food (cells) it will lose to the fast kid in the block.
However this is not a good thing, because their food are living cells and no matter with one wins anyone infected will most likely SUFFER.
That also means that if you are infected with 2 or 3 viruses and your immune system can destroy/keep at bay, 2 of them, but can't do naught against a stronger yet "slow replication" virus, this would mean that BECAUSE your immune system is stopping the other 2 the most dangerous one has a free pass to cause havoc and ultimately kill you.
anyway the RNA exchange happens when 2 or more virus of the same or different families (can happen) attack the same cell at almost the same time, inside the cell BOTH RNA codes interact and overwrite themselves taking the best parts of each virus, this NORMALLY results in stronger virus that "BECAUSE OF THEIR WEIGHT" can't replicate as fast as the others, BUT sometimes RNA exchange can give birth to extremely powerful and highly contagious viruses with unseen replication speed.
nevertheless to say Virus are not dangerous is the same as say mankind isn't stupid "want proof just look at the media"
