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I have a question: What is up with the continual abuse against Casey D? So what if the things he asks can be found with a simple Google? Some people want personal recommendations rather than an answer based solely on keywords. And if it really bothers you so much, why do you even read or answer in the first place?

It has been stated by a mod that this thread is not a substitute for google. I find it amusing how those supposed personal answers were found using google moments after the question was asked. Seems more like some people would rather use a middle-man service rather than use their brain. Also, the "if you don't like it... don't read it" argument is one of the most flawed and overly used of them all. If you wish to discuss this further for whatever reason it's not necessary to do it here. We can discuss this privately if you'd like.

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I have a question: What is up with the continual abuse against Casey D? So what if the things he asks can be found with a simple Google? Some people want personal recommendations rather than an answer based solely on keywords. And if it really bothers you so much, why do you even read or answer in the first place?

It has been stated by a mod that this thread is not a substitute for google. I find it amusing how those supposed personal answers were found using google moments after the question was asked. Seems more like some people would rather use a middle-man service rather than use their brain. Also, the "if you don't like it... don't read it" argument is one of the most flawed and overly used of them all. If you wish to discuss this further for whatever reason it's not necessary to do it here. We can discuss this privately if you'd like.

i agree with turbophoenix hes just asking for a detailed explanation of the poem...i dont see any idiocy in that

i have a question regarding anime in japan
i've been wondering about this for a while...do animes with lots of nudity(ecchi or hentai) actually get aired in japan?if not then how do the producers profit from them?
im talking about animes where the r rated stuff make up more than half of each episode...so censoring is not an option
or do they have channels targeting specific audience demographics?

anime with lots of nudity are often released as OVA
i think...

its cold down here fam ~

If I remember the laws correctly, as long as you blur/airbrush the areas which are considered 'obscene', you can publish anything you want, though a stricter stand is taken against child pornography. Also, the laws were changed recently, due to which some mangas had to be caneclled.

I also remember reading somewhere that even twelve-year-olds can legally purchse hentai in Japan, but I'm not so sure about that one.
Edit: All the above is only what I learnt online. No first hand accounts.

Thanks, @Turbophoenix @sarah-eats-cupcakes.

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i agree with turbophoenix hes just asking for a detailed explanation of the poem...i dont see any idiocy in that

Silly little mome... it went right over your head didn't it?
You are also welcome to PM me for further discussion instead of spamming this thread.
Anyway, I'll kindly answer your question.

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i have a question regarding anime in japan
i've been wondering about this for a while...do animes with lots of nudity(ecchi or hentai) actually get aired in japan?if not then how do the producers profit from them?
im talking about animes where the r rated stuff make up more than half of each episode...so censoring is not an option
or do they have channels targeting specific audience demographics?

Ecchi is usually aired during primetime which is at night. As for hentai, the profit is made by dvd sales mostly.

Hmmm nah, wanted to say something about a certain discussion but whatever. 🙂

Anyways, I wonder why the cells of Henrietta Lacks are actually immortal. Yeah, I know people have likely attempted to research on them but hmmm...

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Silly little mome... it went right over your head didn't it?
You are also welcome to PM me for further discussion instead of spamming this thread.
Anyway, I'll kindly answer your question.
.

you and @scyfon seem to be particularly enjoying this
yes i can easily google "Iliad" and im sure @Casey D. Geek is familiar with google too
he already said that neither google nor wikipedia had what he asked for
turn it down a notch,okay?
but anyway thanks for answering my question.

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Anyways, I wonder why the cells of Henrietta Lacks are actually immortal. Yeah, I know people have likely attempted to research on them but hmmm...

actually most cancer cells have the potential to reproduce forever(become immortal)
i took this last year in biology class..from what i remember..cancer cells are caused by mutations
many minor mutations take place during cell division..most of these are repaired by enzymes..however if they're unrepairable cells undergo self-destruction ,this is controlled by the apoptosis gene BUT in cancer cells those genes are altered so the cell keeps on reproducing(totally abusing the programmed-death system)...cancer cells can also continuously replace telomeres which acts like a clock ticking down a cell's age
there might be some spelling mistakes(enzyme names or watever) here and there coz its been a while since i read about this 😛

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you and @scyfon seem to be particularly enjoying this

What is this, Twatter?

yes i can easily google "Iliad" and im sure @Casey D. Geek is familiar with google too

I very much doubt that.

he already said that neither google nor wikipedia had what he asked for

Q.E.D
Google HAS what casey was looking for.
Wikipedia HAS the references he was interested in.
As for the "personal" recommendation defense? Anyone could recommend a version and he may not even like it and think that it is "total trash" (even though they're all pretty similar aside from translation "flavour").

I may come off as a dick by telling someone to use their head and learn do something by themselves, but it really is the best help you can get for things like these. In fact, the process is even faster since you're cutting out the middle-man i.e - this thread.

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you and @scyfon seem to be particularly enjoying this

What is this, Twatter?

yes i can easily google "Iliad" and im sure @Casey D. Geek is familiar with google too

I very much doubt that.

he already said that neither google nor wikipedia had what he asked for

Q.E.D
Google HAS what casey was looking for.
Wikipedia HAS the references he was interested in.
As for the "personal" recommendation defense? Anyone could recommend a version and he may not even like it and think that it is "total trash" (even though they're all pretty similar aside from translation "flavour").

I may come off as a dick by telling someone to use their head and learn do something by themselves, but it really is the best help you can get for things like these. In fact, the process is even faster since you're cutting out the middle-man i.e - this thread.

First - I am familiar with google, and have used it at various points of time with varying degrees of succes.
Second - Wikipedia is not a trustable source.
Third - I have already found some very nice references by a very helpful MU member who seems to agree with me, so please stop spamming.
Fourth - Mr. Dick, the amount of time I will have to spend scouring the net for a trustable reference...

The number of times a cell can reproduce is limited(this was used in Naruto too, if anybody remembers). In the abovementioned person, this limit, also known as the Hayflick limit, did not exist. That is, the cells kept on reproducing, and thus became immortal.

I agree, though, if the cause for the occurence of this condition can be found, it might lead to an immense increase in the lifespan of humans. And dogs(hopefully).
And as research is ongoing on that, I might be wrong on some counts.

Edit : Oh, and QED means Quod Erat Demonstrandum, i.e, as was required to be demonstrated. Your use of it is incorrect.

There are times when you will miss what you never had. I wonder how you will find what you so desperately need.

yes i can easily google "Iliad" and im sure @Casey D. Mome is familiar with google too

I very much doubt that.

he already said that neither google nor wikipedia had what he asked for

Q.E.D

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Edit : Oh, and QED means Quod Erat Demonstrandum, i.e, as was required to be demonstrated. Your use of it is incorrect.

You demonstrated your incompetence when it came to using google, no?

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This used to be such a civil and helpful thread, my random question is what the fuck happened to it?

It looks like it was mugged by easy to answer questions and thrown in the sewer to die, but i may be mistaken.

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yes i can easily google "Iliad" and im sure @Casey D. Mome [b]is familiar with google too[/b]

I very much doubt that.

he already [b]said that neither google nor wikipedia had what he asked for[/b]

Q.E.D

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Edit : Oh, and QED means Quod Erat Demonstrandum, i.e, as was required to be demonstrated. Your use of it is incorrect.

You demonstrated your incompetence when it came to using google, no?

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Don't try to act smart, Mutta punda.

It is used after the proof, you dolt. And your spam-spree didn't even provide a proof.
Now go back to school, and stop trolling.

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It is used after the proof, you dolt. And your spam-spree didn't even provide a proof.
Now go back to school, and stop trolling.

ORLY?

yes i can easily google "Iliad" and im sure @Casey D. Mome is familiar with google too

I very much doubt that.

he already said that neither google nor wikipedia had what he asked for

Q.E.D

Oh shit, I didn't realize that I didn't put it after my point was proven.
Silly putta munda. Pooooo da.
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I would love to read the poem - and understand it.

Would you like to enjoy it also? First thing to do to understand the poem is to be able to read epic poetry fluently, a thing which people unfamiliar with epic poetry or poetry in general often find difficult. If you're one of those people I suggest you read some shorter poetry first. Of Greek poets I like Cavafy and Sappho, but you can also read various other poets, doesn't much matter whether they're modern or otherwise—the original is in dactylic hexameter, but usually the translations do not follow the original is this aspect as Greek and English are such different languages.

Also reading some background information of the stuff that's told about in the poem. Also make sure to read the synopsis's that are written in the beginning of each book, and if you don't understand something, read it in another book or the internet. This is a bit of a spoiler but it helps you to understand and therefore enjoy the poems better. Here's an example from the version I've got (Chapman translation):

The Argument

King Diomed (by Pallas' spirit inspir'd
With will and power) is for his acts admir'd:
Mere men, and men deriv'd from deities,
And deitied themselves, he terrifies;
Add wounds to terrors; his inflamed lance
Draws blood from Mars, and Venus; in a trance
He casts Aeneas with a weighty stone;
Apollo quickens him, and gets him gone:
Mars is recur'd by Paeon, but by Jove
Rebuk'd, for authoring breach of human love.

Another Argument

In Epsilon, heav'n's blood is shed
By sacred rage of Diomed.

William Cowper and William Cullen Bryant have both translated it in blank verse, in case you like blank verse(I know I do)—Bryant's probably being sightly easier to read. The good thing about blank verse is that's it's often easier to follow and takes generally less liberties, since—after all—you can't have the original unless you're reading the original, and that's in Greek (and it's not really the original either, since it has long oral traditions before the first written one).

Alexander Pope's version is, I assume, the most widely read at this time. It's also not a very difficult a read. Nowadays people are arguing whether Robert Fagles' or Stanley Lombardo's version is the best. Those two are the best recent translations, no doubt. They're easier to understand for the modern reader and because of that, more easy to find the beauty in them. I doubt they're available for free on internet, but you can look for them. They're both nice and readable, but not my of preference.

Then there's the version I've got (the only one so far)—George Chapman's. Not the easiest to read, obviously, being such an old translation (written in 1598-1611), but I do so like it. My reason for choosing this version might be a bit silly though: I was currently indulged in reading a volume of the complete poems of John Keats when I came across a piece called On First Looking into Chapman's Homer (I'll include this at the end). Ten minutes later I had placed an order for Chapman's Iliad. So here's your best options as I see it: William Cowper or William Cullen Bryant if you want blank verse, compare them to see which you like best; Alexander Pope; Robert Fagles or Stanley Lombardo if you want a modern translation, although availability online is questionable; or the good old George Chapman. If you want a comparison of Pope and Chapman (from my Chapman's version introduction) pm me.

Much have I travelled in the realms of gold,
  And many goodly states and kingdoms seen;
  Round many western islands have I been
Which bards in fealty to Apollo hold.
Oft of one wide expanse has I been told
  That deep-browed Homer rules as his demesne;
  Yet did I never breathe its pure serene
Till I heard Chapman speak out lout and bold:
Then felt I like some watcher of the skies
  When a new planet swims into his ken;
Or like stout Cortez when with eagle eyes
  He stared at the Pacific - and all his men
Looked at each other with a wild surmise -
  Silent, upon a peak in Darien.

Far-off places with sweet sounding names.

Thanks, @狂気, I'll try to find those versions online, and see what I like.

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