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Fact: women and men are different.
Fact: Just because a practice is part of a unique belief/cultural/social system does not make it right, nor do I have to respect it.

If it is part of someone's culture to kill their first born daughter as a sacrifice to a fertility god, does that make it right? Does that mean I have to respect it?

If you answer yes, the allow me to redefine my answer. IN MY CULTURE, a man should never strike a woman.

Then it would be the same for them as well...so I have to agree with ares on this one

However let me say that in this kind of discussion, no one is ever right or wrong...

My personal view has always been: never hit anyone, including animals. So never hit a guy, a girl, or a turtle. You can't hit a turtle cause it's so cute.

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Fact: women and men are different.
Fact: Just because a practice is part of a unique belief/cultural/social system does not make it right, nor do I have to respect it.

If it is part of someone's culture to kill their first born daughter as a sacrifice to a fertility god, does that make it right? Does that mean I have to respect it?

If you answer yes, the allow me to redefine my answer. IN MY CULTURE, a man should never strike a woman.

All I am saying is respect other people's culture. Just because you think something is moral does not mean others have to think so as well. If a culture does human sacrifice, you must respect their cultural customs. You may not agree with it. But it is their culture, and you have no right to interfere.

Why must I respect someones culture? Nazi Germany had a distinct culture, based around racism and genocide. The Confederate south had a distinct culture based around white superiority and Jim Crow laws. India had a strict caste system. China has the one child law. South Africa had apartheid.

Must I respect all of those cultures?

Frankly, the fact that some cultures stone women to death who are charge with infidelity, as well as rape victims, disgusts me. I abhor those cultures and the people who allow such injustice to be done.

And mutual combat between 2 men is different. It is physiologically logical, necessary, and natural.

There is such thing as gender roles that are imposed by the nature of humanity, and not by a moral code(of which I made no reference). Females are the ones who bear and rear the young. The role of the male in the colloquial and natural sense is to protect and provide for the female, as it is in many instances in nature.

However, domestic violence, which is truly the core of this thread, is unjustifiable either way.

And furthermore, there has not been presented a situation where the need for a man to strike a woman is the best means of preserving one's life and/or well being.

Flat out: A man is physically stronger and mentally more aggressive than a woman in nearly every case. If a man strikes a woman, especially with full force, the odds the woman sustaining a serious injury, either mental or physical, are significantly higher.

A man has the obligation to act like a man, and real men do not hit women.

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Fact: women and men are different.
Fact: Just because a practice is part of a unique belief/cultural/social system does not make it right, nor do I have to respect it.

If it is part of someone's culture to kill their first born daughter as a sacrifice to a fertility god, does that make it right? Does that mean I have to respect it?

If you answer yes, the allow me to redefine my answer. IN MY CULTURE, a man should never strike a woman.

All I am saying is respect other people's culture. Just because you think something is moral does not mean others have to think so as well. If a culture does human sacrifice, you must respect their cultural customs. You may not agree with it. But it is their culture, and you have no right to interfere.

Why must I respect someones culture? Nazi Germany had a distinct culture, based around racism and genocide. The Confederate south had a distinct culture based around white superiority and Jim Crow laws. India had a strict caste system. China has the one child law. South Africa had apartheid.

Must I respect all of those cultures?

Frankly, the fact that some cultures stone women to death who are charge with infidelity, as well as rape victims, disgusts me. I abhor those cultures and the people who allow such injustice to be done.

And mutual combat between 2 men is different. It is physiologically logical, necessary, and natural.

There is such thing as gender roles that are imposed by the nature of humanity, and not by a moral code(of which I made no reference). Females are the ones who bear and rear the young. The role of the male in the colloquial and natural sense is to protect and provide for the female, as it is in many instances in nature.

However, domestic violence, which is truly the core of this thread, is unjustifiable either way.

And furthermore, there has not been presented a situation where the need for a man to strike a woman is the best means of preserving one's life and/or well being.

Flat out: A man is physically stronger and mentally more aggressive than a woman in nearly every case. If a man strikes a woman, especially with full force, the odds the woman sustaining a serious injury, either mental or physical, are significantly higher.

A man has the obligation to act like a man, and real men do not hit women.

You're mixing politics and racism with culture. The American culture is not about racism mind you. The German culture is not about Nazis. I respect women and I don't hit them not because they are women, but because they are human, living things. I told you, my stand is never to hit a living thing unless it endangers me. It's pretty much what the law says.

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^Culture changes with time and politics is an integral part of culture. Racism was part of the culture in the South, just like there is a welfare culture among certain minority blocks in the U.S.

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^Culture changes with time and politics is an integral part of culture. Racism was part of the culture in the South, just like there is a welfare culture among certain minority blocks in the U.S.

Ok, fine, let's say this hideous thing is part of a new culture. But understand this we are Americans, that gives us the right to interfere in our own affair. Only been American gave us the right to change the racial part of ourselves for the better. As for Germany and the Nazis, we as Americans, didn't interfere until we had a reason to. That is, they provoked us.

It has never been a part of German culture to commit genocide.

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Umm, I don't think hitting a woman is good. >_>;

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To those that say no, if a female is hitting you, are you just going to sit there and get the crap beat out of you? If so, you got issues. If a female comes at me with violence, she obviously thinks she is my equal or my better, and if that is the case then there is no reason to not hit her. Have I ever hit a female? No, and I hope I never have to, but just cause of a gender, that isn't about to stop me from making someone think twice before the next time they decide to act up. The two imes I have been stabbed were from females (that I didn't even know), Now in those cases I would of hit them, but subduing them in a way that dislocates their shoulder worked better. Thank god for military and martial arts training, I would of been seriously hurt. Females can be dangerous, judging someone as weaker then you because they are a female can and has gotten people killed.

I agree.

If I ever got in a fight with a girl for plausible reasons then I would get physical with all intentions of winning. Do not ever underestimate a girl even if she appears weaker than you. All is fair in a fight and it's not like men don't have many weaknesses.

Also there are many ways to win a fight whether it be eye-gouging, head butting, hair pulling, Fish-hooking(inserting fingers into the mouth, nostrils or other orifices of a person, with the intention of pulling and tearing the surrounding tissue), etc.

I think hitting is a bit misleading - you should never hit anyone, especially a woman. at the same time, i reserve the right to defend myself, irrespective of who they may be. basically, if you have respect for people in general, this should not really come up as a real concern...

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at the same time, i reserve the right to defend myself, irrespective of who they may be

Can we now just leave it at that, guys? lol

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Why must I respect someones culture?

There is a difference to respect and agreement. Just because I respect something doesn't mean I am totally in agreement.

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Why must I respect someones culture?

There is a difference to respect and agreement. Just because I respect something doesn't mean I am totally in agreement.

And respecting someones culture means that you don't try to change it either by protesting or other means.

I am not going to respect a culture like that, just like a bunch of people do not respect my culture.

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Back hand that bitch if she gets out of line! Domestic violence= keeping your pimp hand strong!

Lol jk, I no way condone hitting a womanz.

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So much arguing over this.

The way i see it is, unless my life, or the life of someone close to me is in danger, i won't hit a female, i have quite a good grip with my arms, so i can just restrain them till things cool down, if needed.

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So much arguing over this.

The way i see it is, unless my life, or the life of someone close to me is in danger, i won't hit a female, i have quite a good grip with my arms, so i can just restrain them till things cool down, if needed.

That is basically what I was trying to say.

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