tokyo passed a law that makes basicly all manga 18+ (regualted as though it was porn)

is manga and anime dead now?

No. It isn't. Don't follow the hype, friend.

Also, this thread is for both anime and manga, so it belongs in the chatterbox section.

And you should post links for the people that don't know of this. Preferably from a non-sensationalist site.

No... the law actually doesn't do all that much, people just love being alarmist. Not much will change, there are plenty of bizarre loopholes and specifications in the legislation. It's just a statement, don't expect too much enforcement other than from a token standpoint, especially considering it only affects products as they are sold and distributed in Tokyo proper.

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HAHA you are both wrong this law is super vague and that's bad .They can if they wan ban and prosecute any publisher in witch manga there is a depiction of any underage characters doing any unsocial things/behaviour(vague)and that means= no fighting , no ecchi, no murder , no ocult/magic

Kiss bye bye to naruto,bleach, negima and so forth we have reports that first mangaka is complaining that the publisher baned any shcool uniform from her manga(no school mangas any more like Beelzebub) another complains that publisher cancelled reprint of his work because of this law so yeah its bad.

This law is super bad because its really vague in its description what is not allowed so publishers will have to censor the hell out of mangas or cancel even.

Oh yeah and about it being only a Tokyo law, most of the big anime/manga producers are in Tokoy so they must bid to this law and even so its normal in Japan that Tokyo law is treated like a nation law.

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Before pointing out to someone that they're wrong, get your facts straight first?

NO LAWS HAVE BEEN MADE YET, it is still currently a bill for now.

So I guess...you can take that "HAHA" and shove it.

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Before pointing out to someone that they're wrong, get your facts straight first?

NO LAWS HAVE BEEN MADE YET, it is still currently a bill for now.

So I guess...you can take that "HAHA" and shove it.

I don't know... Seems like many publishers in Japan are already acting as though it has already been passed... 😐 :

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/13/mangaka-my-publisher-has-banned-school-uniforms/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/13/dpj-backs-manga-ban/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/13/tokyo-anime-manga-ban-passes/

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http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/13/tokyo-anime-manga-ban-passes/ <<read this

The law is expected to be signed into law on the 15th after an additional vote and then come into effect in July of 2011, so with magazine, tankobon, anime and game release schedules being what they are, it seems likely its effects will be felt much sooner; in a genuinely democratic state there might be scope to overturn it before then, but from what has been seen so far it seems unlikely publishers have the guts or savvy to do anything about it.

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HAHA you are both wrong this law is super vague and that's bad .They can if they wan ban and prosecute any publisher in witch manga there is a depiction of any underage characters doing any unsocial things/behaviour(vague)and that means= no fighting , no ecchi, no murder , no ocult/magic

Kiss bye bye to naruto,bleach, negima and so forth we have reports that first mangaka is complaining that the publisher baned any shcool uniform from her manga(no school mangas any more like Beelzebub) another complains that publisher cancelled reprint of his work because of this law so yeah its bad.

This law is super bad because its really vague in its description what is not allowed so publishers will have to censor the hell out of mangas or cancel even.

Oh yeah and about it being only a Tokyo law, most of the big anime/manga producers are in Tokoy so they must bid to this law and even so its normal in Japan that Tokyo law is treated like a nation law.

Actually, you really have no idea what you're talking about- you're clearly just reading some sensationalist blogs without any real understanding of the legal system in Japan, much less the Japanese methods of implementing that sort of law. Sankaku is just a site that loves controversy. It's quite misleading.

As far as material "misguiding youths" or whatever is concerned, you're looking at things from an extremist angle. Otaku have enormous purchasing power in Japan, and with a wide shot they'd destroy one of the few domestic industries that actually turns a profit even in extreme recession. No politician in his right mind is going to attempt anything like that. What this law calls for is essentially the creation of a bureaucratic committee staffed through amakudari (which is a process that basically pays a bloated salary to politicians for two-four years before they retire permanently). They don't like to do actual work- they just want to sit around and make money. The result is going to be that they review a couple materials, pick one or two mainstream titles which need "adjustments," the parent companies will comply, and then this will all be forgotten save a couple minor instances of enforcement here and there for the sake of appearances.

The "mangaka" you're referring to works in the BL industry and presumably writes shounen ai, as she was told to stop putting school uniforms in scenarios published in under 18 magazines. The publisher is actually concerned because BL publishers are not Shueisha. They command a small audience (approximately 2% of Japanese otaku and an even smaller percentage of manga readers) and have limited sales. These are the types of companies that are actually susceptible to this sort of law, and will probably be targeted as part of the token enforcement measures.

Now, as for most of these companies being based in Tokyo- that doesn't matter. It's sales and distribution which are actually affected by this legislation, they can still do whatever they want outside the city limits. So, no one actually has to comply with anything if they're willing to, within Tokyo's city limits, be placed into the 18+ section and otherwise treated no differently. Or, alternatively, they could tone down fanservice slightly when told to by this board of amakudari retirees, which will happen almost never, and be done with it.

For the record- I live in Japan and study political science. It's not like I don't know how the Japanese political sphere functions, as messy and convoluted as it is. I guarantee you that this is nothing more than a token measure meant to spark some additional conservative support. It won't mean much in the long run.

I recommend doing legitimate research next time, rather than trusting a blog which sensationalizes things more than Fox News.

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NightSwan also said that she wanted to peg me, once, but I'm not sure whether to take that as a compliment or a threat...

And to Crenshinibon, that was interesting read I sure hope your right with your judgement of the situation. I guess will see sooner or later .

I think too that Crenshinibon see it right. We are talking about a huge amount of money. The popular series won't be canceled, perhaps a little bit fine tuned (less fan service), but that would be not a bad thing (pointless flesh is really annoying). But this world is ruled by money and the entertainment business has that. They can't afford the loss of income in taxes.

Ah, I see. I didn't realize Sankaku did that (I guess this would also explain the psychological mind-trapping everytime I go there OTL ) -_-;;

Thank you for the explanation, Crenshinibon! 😛

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tokyo passed a law that makes basicly all manga 18+ (regualted as though it was porn)

This sounds like a total piece of crap. Who the hell came up with this? Someone must have gotten really bored.

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And you will murder someone one day, pika. If you're my daughter.

read about the guy who proposed it, hes a real prick.

and it just got passed into law. heres hopeing the manga and anime industry gor some hair on their balls or go online and kill the print industry.

Locking in favor of this because it has more information and it's actually been enacted.

This law still wont do anything though, so don't worry.