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5:20 pm, May 29 2007
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Ok i'll be honest: I don't buy manga and don't know if I ever will. Where I live they don't sell any but that's an excuse too I think cause if I really wanted I could import although that would mean I'd be broke every month and have 0 spending money sad since the duties at the customs are really high . So here everyone breaks copyright laws on a daily basis. Almost all media in stores are pirated isos or if it's the newest movie sometimes lowq-mqcams. One time I remember I saw a movie(I think it was spidey 2) almost 2 weeks before it opened in america here's the bombnow: I saw it in the local cinema wtf? Also I sometimes if I go to one of the large pirate dvd stores to stock up on anime I'll see ministers of government in the adult section(lol) or just in the main section so ridiculous.

Anyways from an economics point of view I can understand why this is so it results from the main rule in economics that states that their are limited resources and humans have unlimited wants. Many people in the world lack the ability and resources to be able to sustain themselves and have luxuries like manga as well. But they are humans therefore their needs will overpower their means resulting in the whole illegal scene in those places. This doesn't apply to just poor countries because persons in rich countries may have reasons for wanting to have access to materials that they are not willing to forsake other resources for but they still want it or want it at a better price. Simple if there is something of almost similar value for a much cheaper or no price human nature takes over and most will go for the illegal one cause it's simply more beneficial to them regardless if it is not beneficial to the economy.

Of course this needs to change first starting with the first world cause you can't crack down on third world countries when your countries are still doing itconfused So companies need to make their product more available and at cheaper prices. Lower your profit per item in the poorer countries you'll still make an overall gain and expand your market of course most large companies are too stupid and greedy to think this way so they'll arrest people and ruin lives when they could have solved the problem gradually and make everyone's lives better. Oh and they'll never stop it by using those methods more will just pop up in the other's place bigrazz

So for those and more reasons i'm on the fence. If they get their acts together and change the way they do business I may change my answer to yes if they continue their crappy useless methods I say more illegal stuff for everyone and I hope you go bankrupt you greedy pigs. Also this doesn't apply to smaller companies but in a way it does. Not sure cool

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From a legal standpoint, we are breaking International copyright laws all the time. From the part where the manga is scanned, originally, the laws are broken. Importing something from Japan to read isn't illegal. Editing and distributing it is.

Thats from the legal standpoint of it all. All manga's are intellectual properties. According to the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, of which the nation of Japan is a part of, they copyrights for any manga extend to all countries, even if they're not specifically liscensed for that country. That is because over 160 countries are members of the Berne Convention. Which means, as soon as a manga is created in Japan, in legal terms, it has copyright laws in every single one of those 160+ countries, including the United States (where alot of us are from).

The Berne Convention isn't the only international copyright law foundation. There is also the Universal Copyright Convention, aswell as an Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights, among others. To see which one your country follows, if any, click here.

In the end, it all comes down to personal morals and personal situations. Everyone here has their own reasons for reading manga this way. It could be due to a financial situation, or various other things. Alot of us may have similer situations. But in all seriousness, yes, we're breaking the law.

Is it a crime with harsh punishment and prison sentences?

Most unlikely. We read manga because we love it. We're not trying to profit off of it. We love the stories, they capture our imaginations like only the Mangaka can.

So in answer to your question, "Is it wrong?", yes, technically it is. But people do things that are wrong all the time. I think its better to Judge it based on a persons own situation.

I'm not an extremely poor person, nor do I make alot. I do buy manga, anime, video games, and alot of other stuff. I am a collector. Because of my hobbies and interests, I am generally broke most of the time. However, I am content because I get to enjoy the things I love. Other people worry about stuff, and hardly have time to enjoy themselves, even if they're doing something they're supposed to enjoy. I never wanna be like that.

Even though I believe that, yes, it is wrong, my answer for the poll will be "On The Fence", because of my belief that the situation as to why people read scanlated manga is unique, or mostly unique, for each person. Thus bringing in different reasons and different legalities into the entire situation.

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Thanks for the great answer Kaioh and it was long too and I like reading long replies bigrazz However I wasn't really dealing with the legalities cause obviously it's illegal I more wanted to know people's personal opinion and whether they felt it was wrong more from a moral or principle point of view. I do agree with you that it is unique from person to person but it can also be generalized into categories of offenders bigrazz

However I disagree with the way they are prosecuted since there are much better ways of solving the problems. Thanks for the input biggrin A collector eh? Yeah we've got stores full of collectibles from who knows where the hell they were made but the prices lead me to believe they weren't made in an official factory if you know what i meanconfused smile wink grin

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I say yes, because it IS a violation of copyright laws. However, I think it's okay if you also support the mangaka somehow. If you get scanlations, and you also buy the official volume from any country, I think it's okay, because the mangaka isn't losing any benefit, so it's fair. I would purchase manga legally, but I can't because my parents won't let me. Once I'm 18 and move out, I intend to buy every single volume of every single licensed series that I downloaded. Besides, I hear scanlations have better translation. But yeah, I intend to buy the official volumes, and read some, and the ones that have been edited, I'll just stick on a shelf and not read.

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Thanks for the great answer Kaioh and it was long too and I like reading long replies bigrazz However I wasn't really dealing with the legalities cause obviously it's illegal I more wanted to know people's personal opinion and whether they felt it was wrong more from a moral or principle point of view. I do agree with you that it is unique from person to person but it can also be generalized into categories of offenders bigrazz

However I disagree with the way they are prosecuted since there are much better ways of solving the problems. Thanks for the input biggrin A collector eh? Yeah we've got stores full of collectibles from who knows where the hell they were made but the prices lead me to believe they weren't made in an official factory if you know what i mean confused smile wink grin

If you re-read my post, my entire opinion was based on the legal explaination of things.

I was simply stating those, so that you could further understand why my opinion is the way it is.

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I say yes, because it IS a violation of copyright laws. However, I think it's okay if you also support the mangaka somehow. If you get scanlations, and you also buy the official volume from any country, I think it's okay, because the mangaka isn't losing any benefit, so it's fair. I would purchase manga legally, but I can't because my parents won't let me. Once I'm 18 and move out, I'll probably go on a spree. Besides, I hear scanlations have better translation. But yeah, I intend to buy the official volumes, and read some, and the ones that have been edited, I'll just stick on a shelf and not read.



You my friend are the definition of a hypocrite. You say it is illegal and wrong yet you do it anyway because of your parents. If you feel it's morally wrong then don't do it period. Even if you buy all the manga you ever read illegally you still won't be correct according to your answer your answer should at least be on the fence you can't be against it and at the same time doing it it doesn't make sense well it... nevermind you're truly strange cause if you think it's wrong no if you say you know it's wrong and you still do it then that makes you morally low by your own standars so you need to rethink your answer or start stealing money from your parents lol

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I say yes, because it IS a violation of copyright laws. However, I think it's okay if you also support the mangaka somehow. If you get scanlations, and you also buy the official volume from any country, I think it's okay, because the mangaka isn't losing any benefit, so it's fair. I would purchase manga legally, but I can't because my parents won't let me. Once I'm 18 and move out, I'll probably go on a spree. Besides, I hear scanlations have better translation. But yeah, I intend to buy the official volumes, and read some, and the ones that have been edited, I'll just stick on a shelf and not read.



You my friend are the definition of a hypocrite. You say it is illegal and wrong yet you do it anyway because of your parents. If you feel it's morally wrong then don't do it period. Even if you buy all the manga you ever read illegally you still won't be correct according to your answer your answer should at least be on the fence you can't be against it and at the same time doing it it doesn't make sense well it... nevermind you're truly strange cause if you think it's wrong no if you say you know it's wrong and you still do it then that makes you morally low by your own standars so you need to rethink your answer or start stealing money from your parents lol

You need to calm down. That person is not a Hypocrite, they were stating their opinion.

In fact, in no incertain terms, alot of what they said was close to wait I said.

It is wrong, but we're still all going to do it for our own reasons.

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That wasn't an angry post kaioh and what he said is different from what you said and if i was mistaken and you are both saying the same thing then don't gang up on me for stating my (correct) opinion of him when i was just stating my opinion of his position on the matter.

Definition of hypocrite:
Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: 'hi-p&-"krit
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1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings



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I say yes, because it IS a violation of copyright laws. However, I think it's okay if you also support the mangaka somehow.


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I would purchase manga legally, but I can't because my parents won't let me.


Like I said definition of a hypocite it's not name calling it's dictionary work.

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Yes, but luisalirio, I also said that I intend to buy every single volume of every single licensed series that I downloaded as soon as I am out of my parents house and no longer under their rules. If I didn't, I meant to, and will go edit my post.

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Well sorry for being sceptical but you'd be surprised how many people say stuff like that but never live up yo their words. They go out into the real world realize making money isn't easy and they'll never be able to pay their debt to manga so until you do I stand by what I said. bigrazz Ahh relax to each his own do whatever you want. I'm in a cool mood now cool

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I must admit to my shame that I do think it's on the fence. I can't afford to buy all the mangas that I'd like and some are published only in Japanese: I won't buy books that I can't even decipher . Even if I prefer the feeling of paper in my hands to reading on the computer screen, scans allow me to try some that I would never spend money on.
The only thing that gives me peace of mind is that I'm sure most of those who read scans are the same as those who buy the most mangas. I spend as much on them as I can afford and my wishlist on amazon is always at least 15 books long... roll eyes

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Hmmm, I'm with Kaioh on my thoughts. Legally its wrong, and generally my morals are to follow the law. But for what I consider small stuff, its not that big of a deal. Like speeding. 55 mph is sooooo slow. Lead Foot.
I personally limit my manga downloads to unlicensed manga. I guess that's still illegal, but no one is hurt by it. I'm not taking money away from anyone, since I can't read Japanese and wouldn't buy the manga. I do buy licensed manga. But how much that decision was influenced by morality or my sense of collecting things or the desire for a book in hand? Some of all.
Yeah, I have an okay-paying job and I just finished paying off my car - where should the extra money go into but manga, nevermind I desperately need save up to move out and get my own place. dead

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That wasn't an angry post kaioh and what he said is different from what you said and if i was mistaken and you are both saying the same thing then don't gang up on me for stating my (correct) opinion of him when i was just stating my opinion of his position on the matter.

Definition of hypocrite:
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1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
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I say yes, because it IS a violation of copyright laws. However, I think it's okay if you also support the mangaka somehow.


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I would purchase manga legally, but I can't because my parents won't let me.


Like I said definition of a hypocite it's not name calling it's dictionary work.

First of all, calling your opinion the correct one is very condescending. I am very aware of the definition of the word Hypocrite.

The fact remains, most people are often hypocritical when it comes to their opinions and beliefs.

What he said is close to what I said, because we were both being Hypocritical. I stated its illegal, as did he. I started I'd buy more of it if I could. He stated he couldn't due to parental reasons. We both have different reasons, however, the outcome is the same. Thus the aforementioned "different reasons" that I believe make up enough of a different to put myself "on the fence".

Calling someone a hypocrite is, indeed, name calling, whether you believe it is or not, the fact remains that it is. The statement I have just made is very similer to you calling your opinion the correct one, however, it is also different, because people can clearly see you called him a hypocrite, not everyone believes he is one. I, personally, don't.

You wouldn't have been name calling if you had stated they were acting hypocritical. The way you did it, is name calling, and throwing around accusations.

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I forgot what i voted, but i think i vote for no... After reading Kaioh's post, I just feel a balance about myself xD I mean it is wrong, but nothing is illegal.. We don't print it out and sell it around ect ect.. of course some of us when reading and think it is worth a buy.. we would buy it.. (like me with my Red river xD)

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Argh! On the whole it doesn't seem bad, but then you start to count-up all the little wrong-lings and your brain just gives up.

Here's a visual representation of the issue that I just made for no apparent reason:
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