Hey, don't know if this already is here, but i think its good to have a rating system for the scanlators separate in categories like: projects, quality, speed, etc...

This way, when theres four+ groups at the same manga we can decide the best one to download...

I like the idea

We thought about this before... but we honestly couldn't figure out a good way for it not to be misused...

Sorry to hijack, but it is sort of relevant. How about a rating for quality of scanlations - ie LQ/MQ/HQ scans (possibly with source (weekly mag, bunko, etc..) when they get released.

How about limiting the rating system to the mods or staff only.

that's not really the point. Ratings can be misinterpreted too. A whole bunch of things will happen.

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That's a terrible idea.
To be part of a scanlator group it's a difficult and time-consuming task. They do all that hard work for free, since they are simply people who love manga and want to share their interest with others by scanlating some of their favorite series. What do you think that can happen if you are beginning to rate their effort and comparing the quality of neophyte/minor groups with larger/veteran ones? Don't you think that is a very discouraging thing to do? For example: somebody wants to scanlate his/her favorite series since it's practically unknown in the English speaking world. He/She spends hours working in a single chapter and after all of that the only thing that he/she gains is to be rated badly because somebody think that his/her work doesn't met the standards of MU (Don't you think that is an injust and a very ingrate thing to do?).

For me, it's completely unacceptable. If they are a lot of groups doing the same project you could download all of their releases and decide by yourself which follow from now on. If you don't like a determinate group you don't have to rub it in their face; just don't read their releases, OK?


I agree with that (since for me it's OK to rate the scanlations but not the scanlators) and it could be very useful when you're looking for HQ releases.

Last edited by NeoFireHawk at 5:47 pm, Jun 12 2007

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Well, NeoFireHawk, you dont need to be so hard on this. I am part of a scanlation group and i have my fav groups that i always download whe 2 or more groups are doing the same project. But, like i saw in various foruns, the leechers dont care about quality, but for speed releases for exemple.

I understand the misinterpretation thing, but i only tough its something that can be done. But since its not going to happen, its ok.

I have some plans for something like this...

Manick I'm soooo bored right now plus this pc sucks. So how about a scanlation speed rating (I don't think this is insulting to scanlators it just lets manga readers know what to expect ) So I thought of two ideas. I don't know if they'll work or not cause I haven't lokked at your code (I swear I haven't ) So a simple system and a complex one :

Simple (discriminates a bit ) : Okay so basically on the group page a meter with a scale of some sort 0-10?? 0 being inactive and 10 being a release frequency of less than a day . This discriminates because some groups have many series and thus they have a fast release frequency but in terms of individual series it's slower


Complex: Okay this is based on the release frequency as well but so as to eliminate the discrimination then you would multiply the release frequency by the number of series in the group. hmm what about completed projects you say? Well that's the problem. A system would need to be set up to distinguish a groups project status for each project. Dropped and completed projects would not add to the release frequency multiplier. I see no flaws in this system except that it is a bit of work possibly?

I thought about quality and projects but I don't think there's any way to do this without discrimination other than the lq/mq/hq whish is too general to discriminate if done properly

Manick tell me what you think please. No bashing people i'm only trying to help ;)

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I'm a scanlator and has been doing this for quite some time. And I know I, and quite a few others, would actually appreciate some sort of rating system. It can actually be quite difficult to know your own level of quality unless you're told.

And it's not too hard to write another sort of algorithm that makes it easier for groups to get higher points as they work on their flaws. Just give a smaller weight to the medium the older the points given were. So the newer ones affect the score more.

And besides, if it is a beginner I hardly think there will be any reviews upon the individual. Look at anidb for example, they use a fansubber review system, and it works okay... but almost none except the larger groups has any reviews.

The post above states that scanlation is for fun and you should never be given any critique whatsoever. But so is almost all hobbies... however, you can't learn anything unless you're told. I'd love critique and personal opinions on my work, since it makes me aware of things I should improve. If there's *ANY* reason one should be doing this, it's because they like to scanlate, and with that I think it comes with wanting to improve.

But I think it's almost at the line of being laughable when someone says they don't want to listen to any critique... it just means you want to do a halfassed job with your oh so precious time that 'leechers' should butt out off.

Not really venting to any of you here, but probably others reading this, too ^^

I am also in a scanlation group and would like the rating system as well that's why i'm thinking how it can be non biased. I also wish that our work is rewied and we can see where we are in terms of comparison with the other groups especially since we're new. Ack ack. I'll think about more ideas tonight before I sleep. I'm bored anyways

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Personally i'm not a fan of rating groups. I've seen too many 1's given on AniDB, so for me it just goes to show there are a lot of twats out there. Even VHS rips don't even deserve a one, show how does a DVD quality, fansubbed latest anime end up with 1,2,3.

Sorry if I was too tough, but I wanted to be as clear as possible in this issue since implementing a system like the one you're suggesting may bring serious consecuences for all of us. Groups could become discouraged if the users begin to rate them badly and they could even stop scanlating (Do you really think that the results are worth the consequences?)


Then, you should understand better than anybody. What would happen if a lot of people would rate your group as an unworthy one?


It's not that they don't care...I'd say that they're so desperate that they'll read whatever thing comes first.


That'd be good.

And luisalirio84, what good would possibly come from telling a scanlator group that they're unworthy by rating them badly?

And Stmated, there's a great difference between a simple rating system and a review one (Don't be confused). If we're talking about a review system then it's a very different story.

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Neo fireHawk are you in a group? well I don't see what your problem is. you're blowing it way out of proportion. It's just a rating system not a group bashing system. Also that's the reason we're trying to work out how we can make a fair system.

Furthermore if a group or person decides to stop scan;ating because of this well then that's just ridiculous. If they had any dedication (even a tiny bit) they would either try to improve or just continue doing their work. Scanlators don't really do it for praise really. In the end websites like narutofan and evilempire end up getting a lot of credit. Believe me I saw tons of people so stupidly thanking evil empire for "doing " this manga or that manga. So scanlators aren't a bunch of wusses who'll run away at a rating system which is unbiased and is just there to help us leechers know what to expect in terms of waiting time and possibly what quality to expect. This is also excellent if we're comparing groups doing the same series. So we can choose which to read for whatever reason . That's all.

As for individuals. Well there should be a category system in place. Hmm for now all I have come up with is the speed thing not sure how to make an effective rating system for quality yet. Although definitely nothing like animedb

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