All fault of the Death Note, since it an japanese invention.
...jk.

Natural Selection.
The law of Nature says that things have to evolve. To evolve, they have to survive more time and be better then their last generation.
Natural Selection says that the best survivor is the fittest

People who have weak mind aren't fit to survive in our entropic universe. Hm.. Basically, if they can't stand life, who they will be good survivors? Get it?

So...

Suicide is just the way of nature throw away the waekest, and make a better world to the fittest (who wont carry the weakest of them all on their back, they already carry the weaks and average guys!). The fittests are fit to walk foward, so, they are better to evolve.

That has absolutely nothing to do with evolution...







Last edited by Mamsmilk at 10:08 pm, Oct 22 2010

....you just blamed suicide on Natural Selection?

The theory that depends entirely on the premise that animals have survival instincts. That's...just...stupid. There's really no other way to put it.

This is patently misunderstanding how natural selection works. The only manner in which natural selection could possibly increase the suicide rates is if the genetics and/or behavior that are associated with suicidal tendences increase the likelihood that a person's genes will be successfully passed on to the next generation. This is not to say that suicide itself would increase a person's reproductive success, merely that some traits associated with suicidal tendencies would be more likely to aid reproductive success than harm it.

Anyways, I don't think you'd qualify to determine the "fittest" from the "weakest."

None of those suicide rates listed are the highest rate in recorded history; as discussed in The Tipping Point, Micronesia suffered from a huge epidemic of suicides in the 1970s-80s, during which time its suicide rate was an order of magnitude higher than any other country at the time. As mentioned by some previous posters, social acceptance of suicide plays a major role in the suicide rate; during that time period in Micronesia, suicide became simply another method for teenagers to express discontent (i.e. not simply over major issues/depression, but merely having a single argument with one's parents became a socially acceptable reason for suicide).

Last edited by hahhah42 at 10:16 pm, Oct 22 2010

Suicide is a product of mental illness, which is sometimes caused by hardships/etc. It is more controllable if people seeks help right away - therapy is important.

This is not the only reason people may commit suicide.

-Depression which does not arise from stress or any difficulty the person suffers. This is caused by problems with brain chemicals/hormones/ and some things just doctors haven't discovered yet.
-Patients of Bipolar and Schizophrenia also have medical problems which make them mentally unstable, because their problems are not be controlled through their own actions/choices; and and is no true therapy for them.

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I do think that the numbers would decrease if victims were not treated with discrimination; if the issue were more out in the open. Many people are too ashamed to seek therapy before things become very serious, or the illness may not be picked up on by the people around them early, preventing earlier treatment.



Have you ever had someone close to you attempt suicide?
This issue does not deserve your criticism.

Sorry for my english, but i don't use it much.

Suicides can have many causes, not only mental or financial. The natural selection or blaming games, animes, mangas etc. is the most dumb view of point. Im suicid, cant count how many times i tryed to kill myself, pills, blade, didnt worked so far. And i must had to realise that i lack the most natural instinct, that is the survival instinct. My mind and moral code overwrite it.

Natural Selection? interesting
They cannot live or do not want to live anymore, so they commit suicide. Most of them are useless, if they want to die, just let them. Who care?

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When you've lost your hands from war, and your only thought is the food you eat today you don't have much time to feel unhappy about what your neighbours have and you haven't.

Our prosperity gives us too much free time.
In this free time we begin to worry about appearances. About what we do not have or want to have, cannot have or are unable to achieve. Too much free time to ponder makes you unhappy. Too much choice in a store will make the chances way bigger that you walk out of the store thinking you didn't make the right choice. Our failure is our success.

It goes wrong with growing up in a society that tells you you have to be successful. That tells you your failure is your own fault. In the media you only see successful people and start to believe that is the norm. People tend to forget those persons actually are on television because they are exceptions.

Because we live in a society where you can get easily frustrated by what you can't become or achieve you can easily fall into depression.

Praise yourself lucky when you are not able to phantom how someone could be driven to suicide. This means you lead a darn good life.

isnt there a similiar thread to this??

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oh please do click this!
The sweeter the apple, the higher the branch. The quieter the fart, the nastier the smell.
GUESS WHO??

where? where?

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Desires and greed are endless and they are different for each person. Suppose there was a person who was born into a poor family and a person who was born into a rich family. The person who was born into the rich family already has almost everything he ever wanted, and as such he has little to fulfill and strive for in life. On the other hand, the poor person has everything to strive for, and should he succeed, he would be a much happier person than the rich person even if they eventually have the same lifestyle. There are many reasons for depression and I believe this is one of the major causes (I believe this is why poor Africans can live happily while Americans are depressed).



I totally agree with this, because I used to contemplate suicide (almost attempted to once, but my parents stopped me) . I can't count how many times I felt frustrated toward my own failures.
Eventually I started comparing myself to the poor guys in Africa and then I didn't feel so bad anymore, because I know there are people who are way worse off than me.

Wow, you must be one hell of a dude. Pills and blades and none of them have worked so far.

The only time when a pill worked was not to much. I woke up, felt dizzy, my vision was like when you watch the world trough a blinking stroboscope lamp, saw everything trough black and white, no colors at all. And vomit my guts in the toilet. After that i went to bed and the next morning passed my verbal exams like everything was fine.
My left arm has over 200 cuts, tried razor blade and knifes, looks like i have thick skin, and very hard to cut through.
Some years ago i promised that i wont try it again, that's all. Even if i was betrayed, my promise chains me.

"poor"? "rich"? Africans & Americans for an example
U r really interesting.



Sound fun! Should try sometime

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It is easier to satisfy a poor person than a rich person because a rich person would have higher expectations out of life, but a poor person would have much lower expectations out of life. As such it is easier to achieve happiness when you have little to begin with, as there are just so many things that you can feel satisfied over achieving, while a rich person would quickly run out of ways to keep himself/herself satisfied, which would lead to boredom, and eventually depression. That's my viewpoint.