.....*beaten*.....
i guess your right...on the key points.

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However you don't have to respect the religion to respect the people right?
you can show respect to their "faith" but i fail to see having a "peace" allegiance with the said religion.


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I believe in letting people do as they wish, as do I myself. Sometimes, of course, what I wish to do is kill them and they do not wish to die. This gives life interest.

Respecting their beliefs doesn't mean you have to practice them. If you want respect, you've got to give it. That's the only way.
I'm agnostic but I don't bash other people's beliefs. Is there any proof their religion is incorrect? No. Just because you think it's wrong, doesn't mean it is.

...except for Scientology.


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The only religions I respect are my ancestors and Buddhists at least they don't believe in end times and if you don't believe in them you'll be damned and aren't trying to say they are the right religion on the path to "GOD" plus just reading history books really helps make up your mind that religion is not to be trusted

Respecting is accepting that people have different beliefs. It doesn't mean that you have to believe in that belief, but you don't refute/reject people who have a different religion on this basis. Not respecting is behaving the same as Hitler, Ku Klux Klan.

I'm an atheist, and I disagree with religions (at least the abrahamic ones) on logical and moral grounds.

If someone is a person who lets their religion/faith dictate their life (we've all met that person at some point), then I can find it hard to be around them as it gets on my nerves and they tend to be the type who will not listen to logical debate.

Otherwise I ignore it on the whole. I do like debate but it's hard to come by here. Most of my friends are atheist, but I know a couple of christians and they dont follow the bible word-for-word so if anything the christians here are the minority.

People all deserve a basic amount of respect when I meet first them, but their actions and words change that. Respect is earned, not gifted.

Of course, forcing a doctrine upon others and teaching religion as a scientific theory is BAD.


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RAmen.

No, accepting=/= respecting. I accept that some people believe I am going to go to hell and suffer unimaginable pain for an eternity of eternities, but I dont respect it.

I tolerate it, provided they dont throw it in my face, in the same way I tolerate my younger siblings running around 24/7.

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another random point to make, what about that american church, which is just that one guy and his family. The ones who go gay peoples' funerals and protest, with signs saying "God hates fags". The ones who have their young children mindlessly spouting this in protests. Should I respect them?

The whole point of a religion is that it's how you live your life. If your religion doesn't dictate what you do in life, then you are nonreligious.

Atheists tend not to understand that.

FSM?

really, some "religions" are sects in reallity, and those islamists who bomb themself up aren´t good, but the other muslims are mostly normal.
Christianianity, Judaism and Islam have the same orgin and their believes aren´t that bad (i was born and raised as christian protestant, but my family never was serious and i´mn an atheist now), and the only "religion" i know who´s always trying to converte people are the jaovahs witnesses, whose religion is BS

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What I mean is, the people who do it in an almost show-offish way. I have no problem with, for example a muslim not drinking alcohol, as is in their religion. However it would get on my nerves if they were to make a big fuss out of it.



The leaflet they gave me was hilarious. I wish I still had it to pull some quotes.

I'm not that fond of organized religion myself. I put it in my top three things that mankind could do without along with money and politics. However that only applies to organized religion. Organized religion is run by people and they have ambitions just like everyone else. Considering the power religion has over people it is something far too easily abused like with the Islamic extremists.

As for why you should respect others beliefs when they won’t respect yours it’s simple. By choosing not to respect their beliefs you’re simply sinking to their level. At that point you give up the right to complain because you're no better.

People who cruelly and mercilessly force religion onto others are wrong. Many of the people who claim to follow a certain religion or claim to be Christian are hypocrites who simply want to feel comfortable by huddling helplessly into the clique of "Christianity." They preach fire and brimstone instead of the message of love that Christianity is about. WHAT GIVES, PEOPLE? With the way that many "Christians" act, I would almost say that many don't deserve respect because of their behavior. However, I say this as a Christian, and I believe that even though they may be hypocritical, cruel, and misguided, they're human beings like the rest of us and make mistakes, and their beliefs, if nothing else, deserve respect.

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Because you want people to respect your atheism as well. Therefore you should also respect another ones theism. It would be rather annoying if someone kept laughing at you, and telling you "you still don't understand, but you'll find out". It is basically the same thing when you say you don't want to act respectful to another ones religion, For example, laughing at them and saying: "oh boy, I pity you for believing in something that doesn't exist!".

Not every one with some sort of religion goes out and blows people up. Because in that case, there wouldn't be much of a religious community left, now would there? So don't go suspecting all the religious people as possible terrorists.

Yes, there are Christian churches that have a negative look at life, but there are also Christian churches that celebrate life. Same goes for Jews, same goes for Muslims. The same goes for Hindus or Buddhists. The same goes basically for every religion. There are several streams in every major religion, and with some streams the glass is half full, and with others the glass is half empty.

Just because their are a few radical idiots doesn't mean you have to wipe your buttocks with an entire religion. Any idea how much people are actually happy to know their existence has some meaning at all? Any idea how much people do volunteer work, donate, support charity projects while using their religious community as their channel? You should celebrate people that actually do believe in a creator and think some day all will be well. I, as an atheist, envy them. I envy them for the unwavering trust I always lacked.

yes. Respect the people and their faith. However do you need to respect "the" religion?
Think about what i am saying here. Respect the person and his faith however you may not respect that religion in a sence of what it stands for perhaps?

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This is, in many cases, untrue. Whether or not someone has taken the time to find such proof is a different question.



To the OP... you should respect a religion if and only if it is worthy of such respect, but respecting a religion is not the same as respecting the right to choose what to believe. Something I've come to understand recently is that it's sometimes better for someone to believe something that's not true, because knowing the truth would disrupt their life (and/or the lives of others) and keep them from accomplishing something important. It's also true that sometimes people believe in something that's not true and it causes a disruption to their life (and/or the lives of others). Personally, I'll take a harsh truth over a pleasant fiction every time, but not everyone can be that strong (or, perhaps, that stubborn?), and ultimately the responsibility for what to believe and for the consequences of those beliefs must lie with the believers (this includes the belief that something is not true).

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All I mean by respect religion is don't "disrespect" it. Same with traditions. It's a cultural courtesy to show compassion for someone else's culture. If you feel that can't follow the rules of mosque or a synagogue without somehow breaking your own beliefs, then by all means don't go. Simply avoiding disrespect is enough.

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Like I said before, the difference between right and wrong has nothing to do with the truth.

If a lie causes people to see what is right, then so be it. We can argue all day about whether it really is a lie, the fact of the matter is the lie is doing far more good than evil. Now if you know the truth, then you'd be pushing your own "beliefs" on people if you try to convince them about the truth.

Some people are content with ignorance. Who am I disrupt their happiness, especially when they live good and positive lives?

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Now I'm not saying all people who follow a religion are ignorant. Every religion has it's flaws... Just like science. *shrugs*

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