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Post #109374 - Reply to (#109371) by Domonkazu
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10min fooling around with pencil XD sorry for bad image quality I don't have a scanner
(I took the pic with webcam >.>)
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well I dont care, I just do it for fun anyway biggrin



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Post #109385 - Reply to (#109226) by junesue
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the way to learn isn't cartoon to realistic
it's realistic to cartoon.

*shrugs* I don't think it's that simple. I mean, when you were a kid, how'd you start? Most kid's art looks very similar when it comes to proportions 'cause we all use the same references. (It's fascinating to see the shift in media influences reflected in kids art-basically look at anything by an American kid now and you'll likely see an anime influences, whereas a couple of years ago it was more of a Barbie/GI Joe/american toon influence.)

I think whatever gets people interested is fine as a start. Then you've gotta develop those skills, which is where realistic comes in and theory- I've seen lots of fan art that would have worked in it's style, 'cept one of the basics (often composition) was missing. If anything, I feel like the reason realism is so important is 'cause that's where you really have to pay attention to theory-specially perspective, line, shading, proportions, all those things that you only think about in cartoons because of real life.

(I know I've got issues with my shading and proportions, so I've got pages of sketches on muscle structure-but those drawings tend to have more of a comic book influence 'cause that's my primary influence-need to get some anatomy books.)

ladyviollet the ballerinas are cute-they'd work nicely on bookmarks or the corner of something. Not enough for a standalone, but cute. You've got some issues with proportion and perspective, but that's what practice and classes are for-and with them you could do some very cool things with your style.

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Observe real life to influence your works of fiction to make them more believable to the viewer. I can only describe this as drawing the "shape of movement". Rumiko Takahashi's art is a good example.

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Post #109503 - Reply to (#109238) by Pseudopadoz
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yeeeea nikka you know how to do it.
you REALLY know how to do it
only way to get any better is to start drawing REAL PEOPLE *gasp*
the way to learn isn't cartoon to realistic
it's realistic to cartoon.


I don't get it. Are you saying that I'm right, that I'm wrong, or that I'm stating the obvious?


Personally though I partly agree with your comment ( the long one) I can't entirely. It does depend of what she's planning to do. Obviously if you want to become a "real artist" than real models are a necessity... But if it's for drawing manga then obviously if you've got real models that's better and if you only draw cartoon like it can also be acceptable. There's many mangaka out there who have been successful and manage to draw attention despite obvious lacks in technique.
Concerning being apart from a pencil and working entirely on a computer I definitely cannot agree, maybe combining the two is a good choice but putting a whole stop on pencil or pen drawing is a complete no no. I did it several times by laziness only and it always took me a certain amount of time to regain my speed and accuracy.

sroty645: I am against the class system or going to school. Believe me they takes loads of money and all you learn is "you've got to practice". I stayed one month in a school all they did was telling me it was crap without explaining anything or taking me outside to draw when I could have done it alone. It really disgusted me.
Drawing is practice and practice and practice and there's enough books out there to explain things you don't know how to do...
But there's also quite a lot of things that are completely unuseful, I've got loads of books which cost me lots but never served. Why? Nothing beats observation. Observation and practice. By observing real life situation and trying to make it look the same on paper you'll be forced to think about how to do this and that. Even perspective books ( and I'm telling you I've got one pretty complete on the subject) you can spend hours reading them without understanding anything if you've not tried to do a single sketch without looking at them. there's no failed sketch, there's only teaching ones however ugly or seird looking they are.

Post #109749 - Reply to (#109503) by La Plume
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Concerning being apart from a pencil and working entirely on a computer I definitely cannot agree, maybe combining the two is a good choice but putting a whole stop on pencil or pen drawing is a complete no no. I did it several times by laziness only and it always took me a certain amount of time to regain my speed and accuracy.


Oh, I'm not advocating a full stop; combination is exactly what to go for. The full stop was a mistake, and I paid a price (if only temporary); however, even with the harm done by not having seriously drawn in so long (doodles everywhere, as always), the benefits of having explored an entirely different medium became very apparent. And now I do do both, and I can say that it has helped me an incredible amount. For two things with such different means (3D has a lot of picking away at numbers, for example), the amount of transferable skill and experience between the two is jaw-dropping.

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You draw waaay better than I do. Those are pretty cute drawings too. Obviously, you spent time on this so, good job on drawing it. smile

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Ladyviolet what kind of style do you want to have? What kind of audience do you want your works to be shown to?

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Post #109947 - Reply to (#109945) by ahvat
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Ladyviolet what kind of style do you want to have? What kind of audience do you want your works to be shown to?



I dont have a particular audience, and I dont display them O_o

I just draw cause about two months ago I started reading Vampire Knight, and I just HAD to draw me in manga form next to Kaname! xD


The style I want to have? I dont know, none that I particularly like. I just want them to be cute ~

Like, I dont pick up a manga and say, "I want to draw like this."

I just say, "I want her *blank* to be a bit different." :]

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You've really succeeded in making your drawings look cute.

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Post #110043 - Reply to (#109503) by La Plume
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Believe me they takes loads of money and all you learn is "you've got to practice". I stayed one month in a school all they did was telling me it was crap without explaining anything or taking me outside to draw when I could have done it alone. It really disgusted me.

*shrugs* I had a great art appreciation teacher in high school who taught us all sorts of things. One of my favorite projects was when she had us build objects (I built a little town) out of white paper, and then draw it-great lesson on perspective and shading. We went through all the techniques and theory and the crit was a good way to understand what needs to be in a piece. I've got lots of friends who are excellent artists who take drawing classes on campus just for the practice (and as a break from their major courses). I'm not saying it has to be anything professional (or expensive), I just think the kind of feedback you get in an art class can often be helpful (not to mention the stuff you learn) provided you've got a good teacher and class. Can you learn it all on you own? Sure, but sometimes the formality and structure of a class help.

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the quality of the drawing is too hard to evaluate
to rate a artist u must always take in the consideration how long have the person started been drawing and where the person is learning from whether an incredible artist or just making everything up by themselves
but anyways i've seen worse images its not bad i give it 7/10

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