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Manga where the bad guys win? (spoilers)

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Post #145591

11:07 pm, Mar 23 2008
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Hey, I was wondering if there was any good manga, where the bad guy or evil force or w/e, wins.

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11:15 pm, Mar 23 2008
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Higurashi, although you wont know who the bad guys are until you watch the anime, but in the manga they win, so its what you´re looking for (oh and dont read and/or watch the festival accompanying chapter, the good guys win in it)

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11:29 pm, Mar 23 2008
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...There are no "bad guys" in Higurashi...

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12:10 am, Mar 24 2008
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Obvious choice is Death Note. Though later on the bad guy loses.

A lasting descent into darkness is really only great (or common, whatever) if you're doing a prequel, or are planning a particularly epic sequel.

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Post #145631
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12:28 am, Mar 24 2008
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Hmm i never thought of that i can't think of any where the bad guy unlimitly win but hey it'd be cool if they do it right.

OH ya code geass anime if you think about it in many ways Zero is evil and he wins (most of the time)

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12:41 am, Mar 24 2008
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You'd really have to define good and bad guys.

Evil is generally considered going against society's norms. But if you have a society where everyone kills and eats each other, the only evil people will be those who refuse to do so.

That's one reason I like Code Geass... Lelouche is considered 'bad' or 'evil', when really he's simply not naive. All those characters who are hypocrits running around and saying 'war is bad' while listening to orders from above to kill people in their mech suits... Are not 'good', they're just stupidly blissful in their ignorance.

In real life, if a man comes to your house and tries to kill you and rob you, you don't let them live. Because the fact that they didn't kill you means they get a shorter sentence (I'll never understand this.) The shorter sentence means the man will be back on the streets eventually, and would you really want them to come kill you in revenge? Manga where the main character always makes their enemy's have change of hearts by showing mercy make me sick. If it was that easy to make someone change their ways... Well the world would be a much better place.

I'll keep my eyes out for manga where the bad guys win... But I much prefer the term 'protagonists' and 'antagonists'. And in that case, I've never read anything where the antagonists lose, except in horror books that are simply meant to scare people.

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12:46 am, Mar 24 2008
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The problem is that bad guys are almost always the antagonists and in fiction, the antagonists rarely beat the protagonist in the end and there just isn't enough fiction where the protagonist is evil (or the greater of two evils).

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12:51 am, Mar 24 2008
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Manga rule Nº ? : The evil never wins.
If a character turns evil he will pay for his sins.

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1:43 am, Mar 24 2008
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Ichi the Killer. Both sides are bad guys.

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2:25 am, Mar 24 2008
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Shamo? The main guy is more mentaly disturbed than evil I think but he's still pretty evil, he has also so far won all the fights in the end.

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2:44 am, Mar 24 2008
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The Demon Ororon. Sort of.

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2:49 am, Mar 24 2008
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according to a friend of mine, Shaman King ends with the bad guy winning

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6:20 am, Mar 24 2008
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Since this is an ending thread, how bout spoilers in the title

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Post #145715 - Reply to (#145712) by ahoaho

6:36 am, Mar 24 2008
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Quote from ahoaho
Since this is an ending thread, how bout spoilers in the title

But the thing is, people should be using the spoiler tag unless they want the thread to die because I think the majority of people do not want spoilers, but since there would be multiple series involved, that sort of leaves it hard to navigate, even with only titles mentioned. none Well if the thread were to change and spoilers would suppose to be put in their spoiler boxes, then I guess we could hope that someone that's a moderator or better would sacrifice him or herself to the spoilers and cover them up for the rest of us. laugh shy

Actually, I guess that Stealth's job since he has to watch out for that sort of stuff with the manga series comments/reviews. laugh

Or maybe the thread is a lost cause? none shy

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Post #145743 - Reply to (#145599) by Crenshinibon
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8:40 am, Mar 24 2008
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...There are no "bad guys" in Higurashi...

Oh, really so
Spoiler (highlight to view)
Miyo Takano and the Yamainu are good characters to you, I mean they kill the whole village so that she can prove a thesis, of course she´s not bad, what made me think that confused confused

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