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3:09 pm, Mar 23 2014
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I'm at the stage of learning Japanese where I want to learn vocabulary and Kanji, but I still need simple sentence structure. What manga would be good to learn with? I am currently using Ansatsu Kyoushitsu but would like to find a few more.

Shounen, tournament, romance, ecchi, psychological, mature

Any combination of any those tags would be fine.

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3:29 pm, Mar 23 2014
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I've been trying to learn japanese for a few months and managed to read a volume of one punch man. I had read it in english a while ago, which probably helped a bit, but it wasn't too hard to figure out

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3:57 pm, Mar 23 2014
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Thanks, I'll give that a shot

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A really good one, or so I've heard, is Yotsubato! The language is very simple and also largely everyday vocabulary.

That aside, though, so long as you have a grasp of hiragana and katakana, I'd suggest getting something you really love (preferably shounen or shoujo so that it'll have furigana). Your motivation is hugely increased if you're reading something you enjoy, and your knowledge of the translated version will help you to understand the original. That's part of how I learned, and it was really enjoyable. Using a flashcard program like Mnemosyne or Anki, or using a website like MemRise to study JLPT vocabulary will also help a lot. If you run Windows, Wakan is another great option—it's a desktop dictionary, so you don't need internet to use it. You can search words by English meaning, japanese pronunciation, stroke count, radical, and more. A good online dictionary is WWWJDIC. Good luck! Learning Japanese is a challenge, but it's huge fun. smile

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4:48 pm, Mar 23 2014
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I'll try that as well.

I already learned the Hiragana and Katakana. Gotta admit, never expected kanji to be such a pain in the rear, kind of took me by surprise. I'm using Rosetta Stone, which isn't great, but helps since I can hear spoken Japanese, even if it is the "polite" version.

Also have been listening in on anime like Sword Art Online and Ao no Exorcist. Not for complete comprehension as much as immersion and learning to pick out words rather than sounds blending together.

I tried using Anki, but it was a bit too complicated for me, I'm sad to say. I didn't have time to create a deck.

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I've never worried about making decks in Anki before, either. I found downloadable JLPT vocab decks on this site. If you want to focus solely on learning vocab, Anki is okay. MemRise is a lot simpler, and it can be fun. It drills you on meaning, kanji recognition, and pronunciation. It's pretty fun, and it's available online if you sign up for a free account.

It's not for everyone, but a fun and interactive way to learn Japanese is to play visual novel games. A lot of them are awful plot- and character-wise, but so long as you're not looking for anything deep, they're quite entertaining.

Watching anime is fun! Complete comprehension will come in time. It's surprising how much language you can absorb without even realizing it. I can still remember precisely from which panel of which manga I learned certain vocab. When you feel comfortable with it, Japanese novels and light novels are also fun to try to read.

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2:41 pm, Mar 24 2014
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I had some luck reading Maga Tsuki, Tsuki Tsuki! and Tonari no Yamada-san.

The first one is pretty bad when it comes to characters and story (because of that I probably haven't read more than 3 chapters in japanese of the series), but it's rather easy to understand. The second one has somewhat better characters and is also relatively easy to understand (I think I've read only a handful of chapters in japanese, since the rest was available in english anyway). I had the most luck with the third one, of which I've read 3+ volumes. However raws for early chapters of that manga are not available online.

Currently I'm reading Sodatte Darling!!, but I'm struggling a bit with it. I find it most rewarding if I can read and understand a manga which isn't available in any other language than japanese (so the only way for me to read and enjoy them is through japanese language). My main reason for learning japanese was, because I wanted to read some interesting manga that somehow never got picked up by scanlators.

My "way" of reading raws currently looks like this. I pick a physical copy of a tank (while lying comfortably in bed) and look up the words that I don't understand on my cellphone. I use JED dictionary and Kanji Draw apps. JED allows you to tag the words you search, so it's easier to revisit them later, however, exporting them to anki doesn't work. Kanji Draw is for inputting kanji by drawing them (note, this is a different app from Kanji Draw 40%)

I also used Obenkyo, Kotoba-chan and Kanji Draw 40% to practice kanji and vocabulary. The first one has many sections, but I mostly used the vocab and kanji drills. The second is just a vocab drill, but the words in JLPT levels are split into smaller groups which makes them easier to memorize. The last one is good for familiarizing yourself with various kanji. It'll teach you how to write various kanji, but not necessarily what they mean or how you read them. It's still ok, because it makes looking them up so much easier (many apps for handwritten kanji fail to recognize the character if the strokes are in wrong order).

P.S. All the apps I mentioned are for android and all of them are free. If you prefer to use your PC, I can second Wakan, it's a good dictionary. You should also familiarize yourself with japanses IME, especially IME PAD which does recognition of hand written kanji (but you probably know all about that already).

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5:37 pm, Mar 24 2014
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Thanks for all the tips, guys (and/or gals).

Alaena, I'm going to try using Anki again. You've inspired me. biggrin

Jahu,I know a bit about IME, but just the basics. I have the microsoft windows 7 version, I believe. Is the one you mention better?

And I have a Galaxy S4/Droid and Galaxy Tab 3, so I'll check out those apps. Any others you can mention?

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8:10 pm, Mar 24 2014
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If you need help with simple sentence structure, I honestly think a textbook would be more helpful than manga. Once you go through about two textbooks (roughly two college level classes, the Genki series is fine), I think you'll have a better base for trying to read manga. I find that people who try starting off reading manga without a good foundation tend to have poor comprehension and can only recognize words.

But after that, as Alaena says, anything with okurigana (the kana above kanji that tells you reading) should be fine. Just make sure not to slack off and check EVERY word you don't know. The important thing is to stay motivated with something you enjoy reading.

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3:44 pm, Mar 25 2014
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Learning vocabulary and memorizing kanji is one thing, but some knowledge of grammar helps a lot with reading manga in japanese. I've learnt japanese for a 2 and a half year (during which we covered more or less the 2 first volumes of Genki). Before that my attempts at reading manga didn't end too well, but now I can more or less read and understand some simple shounen series.

IME Pad is part of the standard windows IME. It allows you to draw kanji and make windows recognize them. Icon for this particular function might be hidden and might require checking "additional icons in the taskbar" (right click on the language bar).

I also used Aedict dictionary on my cellphone in the past, but JED is much more comfortable to use.

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