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if thats the case then really there is no moral standard? since each situation would have various factors associated with it
If you meant all the thievery examples, well that's the gray area isn't it?
I think everyone can agree that murdering is NOT "right". The matter of murdering for revenge and such is gray, but in the end I think 99% of the time people would say that person A that killed person B has to go to jail for murdering person B. Self-defence can be argued but I think usually people would say unless a person's a few seconds away from being between a rock and a hard place.
And isn't this site and and maybe Wikipedia is a display of a sense of moral standards? If everyone were all vandals and put mis-information all over, I think the site would have been gone.
And when a person takes pictures, I believe if the photo is taken in a public place on the streets and there isn't something perverted going on (like an old man hiding a camera in his shoe and putting it under woman's skirts), it might not be morally "right", but legally one can't get in trouble for it.
I'm not completely sure if one is allowed to take photos of stores, although I know in France/Paris, fashion photos are owned by the designer of the clothing in in the photo and not the photographer but that is different in the USA. Making an exact copy of an outfit goes into copyright law, but if the outfit is very slightly altered, I think for fashion it becomes a matter of judgement even with maybe only a line of stitching being the difference between the original and and the "copy".
Oh yes, and with celebrities being photographed, the morality of the paparazzi is being questioned (well, this was happening after Diana's death since that was a factor in her death). But then maybe that "morality" is encouraged when a woman buys a magazine that has photos of celebrities at red carpet events, parties that the photographers must have been invited to (otherwise the photos would be all blurry from being taken from a helicopter or far away), and ones with them grocery shopping. Hmm, I guess the matter of invading their privacy and stalking them (although that's more the paparazzi than the public as a whole) is the issue.
Oh, and to Savantsage, isn't it a question of morality when courteous comes into place? I can't help but think of that since when you mentioned "We all know you-know-who gets pretty angry about off topics," you were indirectly referring to...lambchopsil. But I think Manick reminds us to do that too (it is part of the rules, and it is there for a reason even if we don't love it 100% all the time when it's not in our corner), but maybe not as often maybe (I know I haven't read every post in the forum so I have no number count to back me up but I know Manick did want people to go back on topic for the What type of people read manga? and What's your greatest wish to accompolish? And those probably aren't exact titles ^^U).
I guess this reminds me of when I was talking somewhere else and I was complaining about something (but others had commented about it too, maybe not as much or as strongly, but they did), and so a person commented "A certain someone has a stick stuck up a certain place". There were other people there but I can't remember why but I was certain the person meant me. It probably fell into that gray area of something that the person could have been banned for (people have been banned for spamming, although he/she gets a warning and then a ban probably if they ignore it), although the moderator at the time did agree that the comment was rude. The person when typed it probably thought it was "morally" okay to insult me this way, and might have worded it to prevent being banned (for abusing another user).
And feel I need to mention this, few weeks ago I watched a Dateline story where this woman sued the local police for slander because she got sexually assaulted, she reported it to them of course, and then they accussed her of lying that she had been assaulted based on no evidence. Unless that she left her house with her kids to call the police (because her phone line had been cut) counts, but at least to me it was totally circumstancial. The police officer that helped her case realized that the officers that had done that case didn't do things like cut off the area and question the witnesses. So there is a "moral" issue of suing the police since they aren't suppose to screw up (or at least we hope since they are suppose to be one of the 'defenders of justice' because I don't believe lawyers are seen that way with all the jokes such as "What's the difference between a prostitute and a lawyer?" "A prostitute stops screwing you after you're dead.") And another "morality" issue was that (I believe that) the police officer testified against the police force, and he admitted that he was given the cold shoulder by his co-workers since they believe that they should protect each other.
And I also heard on one of Oprah's shows that the sons of a robber turned him in when he told them that he robbed banks. It may have been one of those shows of "what would
you have done?" since she also covered this woman that testified against her grandpa (and the rest of her family cut ties with her because of that), and this man that discovered that his company or several companies that were pharmaceutical ones, treated doctors to all-expense paid trips with the costs being passed on to the consumers. And does morality completely come up thought up beforehand? Some have deep thought go into them, but some require a quick response and so if it's the latter, one may say that one would or would not do what they did again.
And about the animals that luisalirio84 and ares6 started talking about while I wrote this, well, I know the vegetarians may look at me with evil eyes and say "you're eating dead animal carcass" but I'm not going to give up my meat. Vegetables just aren't enough to fulfill me regarding food or a meal.
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What you are talking about is I guess like a type of cleansing. Btw nature has it's own way of cleansing the species and evolving it's called Aids, Global Warming Etc.