It's true lot of people do the outlines still on paper, but when it comes to filling it in or doing final touch ups, it's standard now to use a computer. It would be stupid not to. It's way faster to do it on a computer than on paper. I'd be surprised if you can show me evidence that proves otherwise. Even an article back from 2007 says it's typical to color/finalize in computer and it's talking about mangas.

Finishing touch-ups and coloring, sure, but the tones are usually applied by hand. I can't give you any evidence other than a first-hand account of seeing other semi-experienced artists doing it in the circle I was in in 2008-2009.

But that's the point! Everyone does what they like because it's their hobby. Who is anyone else to say that they should do it differently?

Because it destroys the artwork and I believe most people do it out of ignorance.

If you hate "crappy cleaners" telling you what to do. Why would they like having anyone else telling them what to do?

They take an extra step to water the art down. All I do is present the art as it was originally printed.

All I can do is present my opinion and hope they come to agree eventually that what they're doing is wrong. They're just as free to present an argument to me as to why cleaners should filter the artwork and ruin minute details.

Um... I think quite a bit of misunderstanding originated due to my bad wording of screentones/halftones which came from misunderstanding you. 🤢 my bad.

Getting back to the core point, I don't think anyone applies filters for the purpose of "watering them down". But for the purpose of a quick way to remove noise.
Why not just present the raws as is? I would agree on the side the noise removed is better than not removed. And your example raw has quite a lot of noise. Only quick way to remove that is a heavy filter or spend a bit of time doing a proper job. The people complaining to you that your untouched version looks crappy is also evidence that there are people who prefer the denoised.

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Getting back to the core point, I don't think anyone applies filters for the purpose of "watering them down". But for the purpose of a quick way to remove noise.

I realize this, but it's unnecessary and when overdone, detrimental.

Why not just present the raws as is? I would agree on the side the noise removed is better than not removed. And your example raw has quite a lot of noise. Only quick way to remove that is a heavy filter or spend a bit of time doing a proper job. The people complaining to you that your untouched version looks crappy is also evidence that there are people who prefer the denoised.

I believe even I said I'm okay with some slight usage to do things like remove noise (if I didn't then sorry). It's the same as the DNR thing I mentioned earlier. Used wisely it can be good (personally I don't see a need but if people like less noise and it doesn't affect the overall art fine) but when it's overused, and it often is, it affects screentones and erases the small details.

Without fail, every time someone's complained to me and I explain why I don't filter, they don't respond back. Often times they had responded to several previous messages so I don't think the reason is that they made a single comment then left. I'd imagine if anything it's a matter of pride and they don't want to admit that they may be doing things wrong.