Okay, so I know everyone has their fetishes (i have a fair share of my own too...), but don't people realize that rape is an awful thing? I respect people's opinions on all topics, but rape is still something that shouldn't be treated lightly. I see that happening a lot in many different places with yaoi. ):

But beside that point, am I seriously the only one here who likes rape recovery? I don't like reading rape at all, they make me upset and distraught. Ugh. It is especially irking when every victim seems to either get over it quickly (which probs wouldnt happen, yo, if its gonna be something awful can it at least be realistic? but i guess its good if they get over it but then arent they just set themselves up for more rape are you feELING MY INTERNAL CONFLICT YET) or have stockholm syndrome. 😔 😔 😔

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But then there is something about rape recovery that just tugs at my heart strings and makes me feel all giggly and happy for the victim. 😁 Seeing them get through their hardships and start to trust others again makes me freak and I love it. Am I the only one? 😕 😕 😕

Shoot me your opinion on the matter! I'd enjoy hearing it. 😛

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But then there is something about rape recovery that just tugs at my heart strings and makes me feel all giggly and happy for the victim. Seeing them get through their hardships and start to trust others again makes me freak and I love it. Am I the only one?

I understand what you mean. When the rape is portrayed under a realistic light, it will engross you all the more completely and the story may even end with a positive note: like you said, if the victim overcomes the terrible experience, with time, frustration and a little bit of hope. You're definitely not the only one who likes to read about that. I do too (not that I've read or found many of them, to be honest).

However, it seems to be the general tendency in BL for the seme to completely ignore the uke's pleas and just have his way, figuring that - if the guy is hard anyway, it must mean he's enjoying himself. Of course this is wrong and unhealthy, but it's also a time-saving device: the apparently straight uke finds himself in a very uncomfortable position, gets raped, still reaches an orgasm, thinks about it for a second there, and figures: "damn, that must mean I'm gay" or, "damn, that must mean I love him [the seme]" (the latter is probably the most common). Eventually all is well because the seme did love the uke very, very much, claiming he could not help himself with so much love boiling up inside him, and the condescending - often submissive - uke accepts him with little effort (and the more tsundere the better). It's a bad cliché but it's still a cliché that works, maybe because it saves up time in the whole "falling in love process", maybe because it works as a "reality check" on the part of the uke (which we accept because it's fiction), or maybe because, since BL writers are often straight females, they are not really worried with "realistic takes on homosexuality" which is fair (I just remember I said something quite like this a few days ago around the forum too, ahah).

I think Stockholm syndrome is another thing. If it's well executed, it may make for an interesting case. In this kind of scenario I don't mind reading about rape that turns into so-called love, so long as the relationship remains terribly damaging on a psychological level. But that's a personal quirk of mine, as I love fiction drama and angst, hurt and comfort kind of thing...

I don't like rape for the sake of "showing one's love for whoever", that no one ever talks about afterwards, that leaves no mark on the uke and just proves the seme's authority. That I don't like but we can either ignore it or keep as far away from it as we possibly can as I don't see it stopping any time sooner. The way one delivers such clichés are also what makes the difference between a bad to average author and a very good one 😛

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Don't people realize that rape is an awful thing?

I never knew any reader who actually liked the rape=love scenario, say, in a comedy (which happens a lot) or in a light romance. Still, it has been used for so long now perhaps they just ignore it, like I said, or they keep away from it. If a BL reader goes as far as considering the possibility of love coming out of rape in real life, my best advice is for them to stop reading BL at once, because they don't understand the purpose of fiction. Same advice if anyone ever thought, after reading yaoi, that rape is anything close to okay. The fandom doesn't need that, BL authors need it even less, and the world - like another user here once put it - certainly doesn't need more insensitive people.

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Haha, I totally agree with you, MirayAllen! You put it much more eloquently than I did, ehehe. 🤣

And with the orgasm=enjoyment topic, I never really took major notice of it before, but that is what often happens, isn't it? And as you said, all is well for the characters were already in love or realize it not too soon after. Fictionalization is a plus.

It seems the author's interpretation of homosexual relationships does contribute a lot to how the mood of the manga turns out. They end up being a little far from reality, but terribly interesting reads.

I'll have to say I agree and disagree with you on stockholm syndrome. It is a different thing in ways, but I'd like to think of it as divided into different categories. There is the classic state as everyone first thinks of when the topic of stockholm syndrome comes up, and like you I have a quirk for hurt-comfort and psychological "scars" so most of the what-not that occurs under that category I enjoy to read. But then I also like to think of stockholm syndrome in a minuscule prospect. For example, one might be simply put under (for most people) stressful restrictions and have to deal with a super controlling lover. I feel this happened in Totally Captivated, but it may just be me.

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I don't like rape for the sake of "showing one's love for whoever", that no one ever talks about afterwards, that leaves no mark on the uke and just proves the seme's authority. That I don't like but we can either ignore it or keep as far away from it as we possibly can as I don't see it stopping any time sooner. The way one delivers such clichés are also what makes the difference between a bad to average author and a very good one

Exactly! When you see stuff like that it just looks like a bad 'rape game' took place. The overall feel of the story kind of slips off the pedestal a bit and this can ruin the manga. 😐 I don't go out specifically looking for rape themed mangas, but if I find one that looks interesting I will read it. I just dislike it when readers or authors make it less than it is. When it seems as though they are just like "Oh yeah rape, it happened and no one cares kay bye." it makes me upset at the misunderstanding of the importance of rape and the lack of "definition" in the story, if you understand what I mean.

Yes, it seems as of now the best thing we can do is ignore or avoid it altogether.

I haven't really had the chance to talk with yaoi fans personally on the matters of rape before, most of my judgement comes based from forum posts and comments on yaoi chapters. They don't initially strike any chords with me, but I often get irked with how they respond to other's negative reactions towards rape in mangas. I remember seeing a lot with sayings such as "you need to get over it, it's just rape, calm down". I guess I am being a little quick to jump to a conclusions, but that doesn't change the fact that people saying that in general really unsettles me.

I still have a soft spot for emotionally and mentally distraught manga characters, though, and that probably won't change anytime soon. Haha. 😀

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I think this is an interesting topic, since rape shows up so often in yaoi mangas. It's as if yaoi mangas obey a completely different logic: In reality, rape = an act and weapon of violence, and has nothing to do with attraction or love. However, in yaoi land, rape is typically a result of an overly passionate lover.

For my personal view as a reader, when reading comedic yaoi with rape, I have to find the situation so absurd and removed from reality that I can enjoy it and not think of it in "real" terms. Also, it helps that the yaoi characters don't look that human to me (the way it's drawn).

Though I also do find it annoying when the issue of rape is so completely glossed over that they don't even acknowledge it happened. I also am irked when the seme (rapist) blames the uke for the rape because the uke was too cute or something and the manga perfectly accepts this as a valid reason - I facepalm and pretend that didn't happen if I wish to continue reading.

When the stories do address rape in a realistic light, like Zankoku na Kami ga Shihai Suru, then I do treat the characters as if they were following the logic of the "real" world, and treat the characters and their emotions seriously.

I'm not going to write a lot like the others here but I like rape recovery too. The rape itself is bad but I just like to see how first the victims are kind of broken and unable to trust anyone and then later on finding love and happiness. I love these stories but sadly there aren't many D;

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