ACTA, copyrights raping your rights...
16 years ago
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Oh wow...>_> Time to start using the 'ol external again. I have too much crap on here to lose it all. >: (
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16 years ago
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Seriously, they haven't managed to prevent internet piracy much yet. Is this really going to change anything, or just make pirating even harder to detect?
It means that if you are found practicing Piracy the FINES you would get won't even be funny, even if the only thing you do is download songs or read scanlation.
and the fines are going to be enough to discourage some uploaders, with in turn, will make the search of certain stuff almost impossible (won't be like asking google anymore 🙁 )
Fines or not, they already have a lot of difficulty catching people who are practicing piracy. If they put more barriers up around it, the material may become more difficult for the average person to obtain, but the uploaders are also going to become a lot craftier in finding ways around the new laws. Does that not just make it harder to catch the criminals?
That is indeed a given, but it doesn't make it ok for the governments to be planing this kind of shit just to "protect" those that really don't need protection... Digital Information, is exactly that, you can't touch it, and I am not willing to pay for anything I can't touch 😛
Hardware is cheap (because better parts come into equation and old parts that are still good get mad discounts) yet software cost a ton... paying a ton of money for stuff that doesn't exist goes against mankind core values 😀
16 years ago
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[quote=Terpsichore]Seriously, they haven't managed to prevent internet piracy much yet. Is this really going to change anything, or just make pirating even harder to detect?
It means that if you are found practicing Piracy the FINES you would get won't even be funny, even if the only thing you do is download songs or read scanlation.
and the fines are going to be enough to discourage some uploaders, with in turn, will make the search of certain stuff almost impossible (won't be like asking google anymore 🙁 )
Fines or not, they already have a lot of difficulty catching people who are practicing piracy. If they put more barriers up around it, the material may become more difficult for the average person to obtain, but the uploaders are also going to become a lot craftier in finding ways around the new laws. Does that not just make it harder to catch the criminals?
That is indeed a given, but it doesn't make it ok for the governments to be planing this kind of shit just to "protect" those that really don't need protection... Digital Information, is exactly that, you can't touch it, and I am not willing to pay for anything I can't touch 😛
Hardware is cheap (because better parts come into equation and old parts that are still good get mad discounts) yet software cost a ton... paying a ton of money for stuff that doesn't exist goes against mankind core values 😀 [/quote]
My thoughts on the matter are different. If someone put time and effort into creating a product or service I want, then I am more than willing to pay for it. Software is developed for your use as a consumer; if it 'didn't exist' then you would not be interested in having it. Simply because something is in digital format does not mean it is non-existent.
I think piracy goes against core values more than paying for digital information. After all, it is technically stealing.
16 years ago
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Stealing is buying a program and then updating and then having to buy the damn thing again.
I didn't say I wouldn't pay, I said pretty much all the software is OVERPRICED...
Yeah it took effort to make the software in the first place, but it takes NO EFFORT in making duplicates of it, lets put it like this, a craftsman makes an awesome gold ring, is perfect, is beautiful and is very well made, BUT what is that? is a fucking copy of the same ring.
If software companies want to truly make profit why not do the right thing and sell them cheaper? cheaper prices = more buyers, but no they want to force the people to pay for something that took them little effort to make (hard initially, but after that is just copy and paste).
That is the reason is SO easy to find illegal copies of digital information, because is EASY to make 😛
16 years ago
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Well, I find it just sick. It's like saying that people should worry and start packing as much as they can, for a lifetime, and then quitting their internet connection service...
But I think if they end up doing so, they'll be ignoring our privacy...DX
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Member16 years ago
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Stealing is buying a program and then updating and then having to buy the damn thing again.
I didn't say I wouldn't pay, I said pretty much all the software is OVERPRICED...
Yeah it took effort to make the software in the first place, but it takes NO EFFORT in making duplicates of it, lets put it like this, a craftsman makes an awesome gold ring, is perfect, is beautiful and is very well made, BUT what is that? is a fucking copy of the same ring.
If software companies want to truly make profit why not do the right thing and sell them cheaper? cheaper prices = more buyers, but no they want to force the people to pay for something that took them little effort to make (hard initially, but after that is just copy and paste).
That is the reason is SO easy to find illegal copies of digital information, because is EASY to make 😛
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16 years ago
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LOL, man, if this is ture, i knew they would do something like this someday, but i'm pretty good at getting around alot of stuff and anything i download of the internet (legally or illegally) i have back-ups of bascially everything i want to keep of my and upgrade off for a long time and all of it is not on my computer. 🙄 .
But really, the government is capable of alot of things we don't kno, it's just alot of us don't relaize it, but u kno what they say "Ignorance is bliss" 🤣 🤣
Yeah it took effort to make the software in the first place, but it takes NO EFFORT in making duplicates of it, lets put it like this, a craftsman makes an awesome gold ring, is perfect, is beautiful and is very well made, BUT what is that? is a fucking copy of the same ring.
If software companies want to truly make profit why not do the right thing and sell them cheaper? cheaper prices = more buyers, but no they want to force the people to pay for something that took them little effort to make (hard initially, but after that is just copy and paste).
That is the reason is SO easy to find illegal copies of digital information, because is EASY to make
I agree, that's the reason why people steal their stuff all the time. Alot of the masses are in the lower or middle class, i think they rather spend their money on food, clothes, shelther and other necessities that they need other than overpriced software.
I'm definetly going to look into this though.
Everything has a price.
16 years ago
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I voted WTF, because this is something that is quite impractical, maybe necessary. Plus, they shouldn't be searching individual's computers, to me, that would be violating civil liberties.
The current situation that stands with piracy is that downloading is not the problem, it's uploading. Getting rid of all the downloaders is impractical. Getting rid of bittorrent distributors, like the Pirate Bay, is much better. I don't think that they'll every be able to effectively do this with a individual's computer because what if you have family videos that get marked as pirated material, or music ripped off of your own purchased CDs?. Websites and fileshares will be targeted. I won't be surprised if that happened.
16 years ago
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Hardware is cheap (because better parts come into equation and old parts that are still good get mad discounts) yet software cost a ton... paying a ton of money for stuff that doesn't exist goes against mankind core values 😀
That's not necessarily accurate. EDO RAM costs just as much as any other kind, and that stuff is ancient technology. Xeon processors and boards are still hella expensive. If you're lucky you'll find a used one for $400. I get what you're saying, but I can't shake the feeling you're devaluing intellectual property. Software, to me falls into the same category as books, as far as property is concerned.
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16 years ago
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materials are also part of the cost, and so is rarity...
anyway, you are right as far I am concerned books can also be overpriced, yeah is good to read a good novel and authors should be rewarded as well, but Value is something that the people give to the creation of others, in the case of many books they start with cheaper prices and as they become popular their prices go up, with is a good system, in the case of software (games, programs, etc) you can buy ultra expensive software and still end with SHIT.
Not to mention the license system, the damn license will expire in X time and after that you will have to buy a new one... or don't upgrade at all and stay stagnant >_<
That is a forced system that SUCKs
Nevertheless I love piracy and I am biased, so >_>
16 years ago
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Well, ideally when you're buying something that has a limited licence you're also getting support, or features that are otherwise not free. In the case of antivirus software, many paid versions come with extra features that let you control with even greater detail than a free one, or they have live support. Granted, not all of them come with these features, even if you're paying, and some do end up being shit, but its not like people don't have any other options.
And I just realized I'm offtopic. Kinda. 🤣 😛
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16 years ago
Posts: 32
this is international grandstanding. even if this "law" is passed it will take at least 2-3 years to set up. it is unlikly to have any effect on us because 1) internation policeing agencies are extremely bureaucratic. (imagine team america but with paperwork instead of guns) and 2) interagency policing never works due to the one-up-manship and the petty Rivalry of it.
16 years ago
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this is international grandstanding. even if this "law" is passed it will take at least 2-3 years to set up. it is unlikly to have any effect on us because 1) internation policeing agencies are extremely bureaucratic. (imagine team america but with paperwork instead of guns) and 2) interagency policing never works due to the one-up-manship and the petty Rivalry of it.
Have you read what the experts are saying?
This is going to be extremely easy to enforce because it will require the ISPs to cut off your acess to the internet and after three strikes your IP (not just you, you home, your family, all those who share the same IP addy) will be blocked from having internet acess for two years!
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That ISPs have to proactively police copyright on user-contributed material. This means that it will be impossible to run a service like Flickr or YouTube or Blogger, since hiring enough lawyers to ensure that the mountain of material uploaded every second isn't infringing will exceed any hope of profitability.
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That ISPs have to cut off the Internet access of accused copyright infringers or face liability. This means that your entire family could be denied to the internet -- and hence to civic participation, health information, education, communications, and their means of earning a living -- if one member is accused of copyright infringement, without access to a trial or counsel.
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That the whole world must adopt US-style "notice-and-takedown" rules that require ISPs to remove any material that is accused -- again, without evidence or trial -- of infringing copyright. This has proved a disaster in the US and other countries, where it provides an easy means of censoring material, just by accusing it of infringing copyright.
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Mandatory prohibitions on breaking DRM, even if doing so for a lawful purpose (e.g., to make a work available to disabled people; for archival preservation; because you own the copyrighted work that is locked up with DRM)
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/03/secret-copyright-tre.html
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/11/leaked-acta-internet-provisions-three-strikes-and
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/global-treaty-three-strikes/
16 years ago
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Yeah, some of that stuff listed in that act seem a bit unconstitutional.
However, artists have rights, too. Whether or not they choose to release their work at large should be up to them. I know myself, as a musician, am thrilled to be able to get my art out to a large audience, free of charge.
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16 years ago
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Yeah, some of that stuff listed in that act seem a bit unconstitutional.
However, artists have rights, too. Whether or not they choose to release their work at large should be up to them. I know myself, as a musician, am thrilled to be able to get my art out to a large audience, free of charge.
This isn't about the artists.
You DON'T have to prove that you own the material. All you need to do is fill out a DMCA order and the ISP will be forced to take the content down and you will be given your first strike.
They are saying that this will take down parody sites like icanhazcheeseburger because a photographer or even some idiot can say that they own that picture(s) and that the site cannot use it. Thus it violates copyright law and thus you broke the law.
So the ISP will take down the content. Not the site owner. The ISP. Because the ISP will be facing fines for each infraction that their users do.
This will end YouTube, this site, livejournal, blogs that use material in parody ways like the Onion, MySpace, FaceBook, etc.
Anything on the internet that is user generated will be taken off because it will be too damn difficult to monitor it 24/7 to prevent copyrighted material online and the ISPs will not wanted to be fined so they will just cancel service to the websites.
