The terms shoujo ai and shounen ai
12 years ago
Posts: 60
I like Shounen-ai and yaoi. It tells me the difference if there's going to be sex or not. Period. And most of my friends are starting to get into BL. I don't want to accidentally recommend a yaoi manga when I meant a shounen-ai. I read hundreds of BL already, can't remember which is yaoi and which is shounen-ai.
Also, I don't like people starting to force this new vocab on us. It's nice to know more and more of my friends who read yaoi/shounen-ai is referring to BL. It's a change that slowly needs to expose to everyone, but don't just shove it down our throat and call it a day.
12 years ago
Posts: 467
Quote from -shiratori-
http://www.mangaupdates.com/publishers.html?pubname=Comic+Yuri+Hime
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Yeah...
There are several other magazines as well, with Yuri in the name. Clearly it's not a universally avoided term...
Well, I dunno. I hadn't heard about Yuri being avoided by publishers before, either. I just recently heard about it, when looking these terms up a bit, to be extra sure of my info.
Maybe it's that more high brow publishers avoid the term?
Quote from HanaTenshiHimeko
I like Shounen-ai and yaoi. It tells me the difference if there's going to be sex or not. Period. And most of my friends are starting to get into BL. I don't want to accidentally recommend a yaoi manga when I meant a shounen-ai. I read hundreds of BL already, can't remember which is yaoi and which is shounen-ai.
Sure the shounen ai/yaoi combo of terms, tells you if it's got porn or not, but BL/Yaoi could be used in the same manner.
You do realise that there are a lot of people who use Yaoi to mean any works with romance/lust between men, regardless of if it contains porn or not? In those cases, you could be recommended things you didn't want, as well. (though probably not in quite as bad a way, I admit)
Also, I don't like people starting to force this new vocab on us. It's nice to know more and more of my friends who read yaoi/shounen-ai is referring to BL. It's a change that slowly needs to expose to everyone, but don't just shove it down our throat and call it a day.
It's a change that slowly needs to expose to everyone, you say?
How slowly?
...and where do you draw the line between things slowly changing, and them being shoved down peoples throats?
This is not new vocab, being proposed out of the blue. It's new vocab that is being frequently used, and slowly replacing shounen ai/shoujo ai.
Should the terms only be changed here, once 100% of people have changed over to the new terminology? (meaning that the old terms would still be used, when 90% have stopped using them, making this site's usage archaic and weird)
You do realise that language changes?
Gay used to mean happy (a kind of carefree happiness)
...then it started to get certain connotations of promiscuity. A "gay man" was a womaniser, a "gay woman" was a prostitute and a "gay house" was a brothel.
The homosexual connotations entered into it somewhere in the 19-hundreds, and even in 1970, you had a heterosexual woman being called "young and gay" in a TV show, with no implications of her being anything other than heterosexual.
...and now gay exclusively means homosexual.
Language changes.
12 years ago
Posts: 60
When people refers to yaoi, it's mostly in terms of having sexual/lust being involved that goes further than just a kiss and mostly known to have some sex action. I'm sure it's a common ground so we know what we are referring to.
Back then on the MU forum, someone ask for a recommendation: "No yaoi, just shounen-ai." Immediately, we know what the person want and we gave that person the info they want. If you start to strictly use "BL," a lot of people will be confused because BL is both meaning and we can accidentally recommend what the person didn't want. I'm not rejecting the word "BL," it just needs a better wording and I bet it'll change again to make it clearer in the future.
And I know what the word "gay" means. Language is always changing and so is phrases. For example, "thong" was used to refer to sandals, now it's mostly known as a type of underwear.
The word BL is a change that is being exposed and I know it's gradually it's catching on, and it doesn't mean "yaoi" or "shounen-ai" is going to disappear just because it's being replaced by "BL."
The way you start phrasing stuff sounds like you're the one who is doing the stuffing. Please don't take my words and start to discreet it, my words will to lose their real meaning and end up being twisted with a totally different meaning.
12 years ago
Posts: 467
I'll admit that this discussion has given me some doubts about the wisdom of using BL/GL as terms for non-pornographic works. Certainly GL can refer to works regardless of how innocent/pornographic they may be, it seems.
The issue of Bara, however...
Quote from HanaTenshiHimeko
When people refers to yaoi, it's mostly in terms of having sexual/lust being involved that goes further than just a kiss and mostly known to have some sex action. I'm sure it's a common ground so we know what we are referring to.
There are plenty of people who would refer to the most innocent of shounen ai, as Yaoi. They may be a minority, and is only among the less knowledgeable of readers, but...
The way you start phrasing stuff sounds like you're the one who is doing the stuffing.
I don't quite understand what you mean by that. What do you refer to, when you say "stuffing"?
Please don't take my words and start to discreet it/.../
"discreet"?
Even if that is a misspelling of "discrete", it still makes no sense. I can think of no word, which that could be misspelling of, which would allow for it to make sense, in that sentence.
Also, you talk of "my words" and then talk about "it". That makes no grammatical sense, whatever the "it" may refer to (be it the "my words" or referring to something else).