sandman1008- Moria is a Yonkou's rival as equivalent to Mihawk and Shank. Moria with Oz is like equivalent of Kuma getting a super cyborg upgrade or fighting Crocodile in the desert.

I don't disagree with you with what the current level power of Luffy. Any enemies that underestimate Luffy suffers like Crocodile. If Croco-boy fought seriously since the beginning I doubt Luffy would have survive. In the whitebeard war, Crocodile took on DoFlamingo and even Mihawk briefly. But Crocodile is no where close to the level of Admiral, especially Akainu.

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or fighting Crocodile in the desert.

i think this is a huge point that people are forgeting that....when luffy fought crocodile it was in the desert aand that gives him a HUGE advantaged so really the only reason luffy beat crocodile was beacuse he go him in a area where he had the advantage with his sweat but now if luffy has the colour of arment then it won't make a diffirence (that probably made no sense but i think some people should undersatand a little) oh and i think luffy is in between vice admiral and yonkou

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sandman1008- Moria is a Yonkou's rival as equivalent to Mihawk and Shank. Moria with Oz is like equivalent of Kuma getting a super cyborg upgrade or fighting Crocodile in the desert.

That may be true (about Moria), but it doesn't change that he has seriously weakened over the years (or so it seems). He became a Shichibukai because he's a very strong pirate I imagine (one that holds a rivalry with a Yonkou). However, as shown in the Marineford arc, he's lost a step. Jinbei took care of him with the greatest of ease. Now, I'm well aware that it could be because Jinbei is super strong, but I would think a Shichibukai would put up a better fight. And yes, Donflamingo getting orders to take out Moria, even though he hasn't done anything that should upset the government (like Crocodile did with Alabasta), shows that the higher ups feel he isn't up to par anymore. He may have been a great pirate, but this mentality that he took on (raising a strong army to fight all your fight) has seriously hampered him as a fighter.

i dunno after reading 599 i'd say hes definitively uped his game. he even took out the "strawhats" without making a fuss.

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when luffy fights admirals, and other strong pirates, it's gonna be a fight to the death every fight. So he is always 2 percent stronger than the next guy

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he's probably somewhere between vice-admiral and an admiral, probably the same power as Sentoumaru, coz him being near admiral or the yonkou is absurd, since all the admirals can use haki as well(note ch 564 when the 3 admirals with the use of haki defend the whole area around the platform) and they also have the power of the logia fruits and years of fighting experience, and as for the yonkou, well we only know 2 of them and they are both over the top strong.

ITS OVER 9000!!!!!

after seeing chapter 601 i have to say that luffy is definitively yonkou/fleet admiral level if only just below it. Seriously 1 shot pacifista! The fact that he was vice-admiral level before the skip means hes so powerful now that his power basically went up 2 levels as well as his reflexes and well AOE 😛 .

I think he's above admiral right now... we haven't seen him fighting with admiral though. But i can imagine he'll kick Akainu for sure!

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