'Why don't you get a real job and stop talking about this social studies crap that nobody cares about other then the other people doing the same social studies crap' is what I always wanted to say to my old social studies professor. I'll use this thread for that purpose (not that I'm expecting my old prof is a member of MU).

There's one other thing I'd like to say...toilet paper.

If the sea were made of Whiskey and I was a duck
I'd swim to the bottom and never come up

'Why don't you get a real job and stop talking about this manga crap that nobody cares about other then the other people doing the same manga crap' is what I always wanted to say to my old otaku friends. I'll use this thread for that purpose (because I'm expecting my old otaku friend to be a member of MU).

There's one other thing I'd like to say...this could work with a lot of things, so come up with something more subject specific please.

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Are you trying to say you don't find the use of toilet paper specific enough?

If the sea were made of Whiskey and I was a duck
I'd swim to the bottom and never come up

No where did I see the word "use" in your original post.

Now you're just changing the entire meaning of what you said.

Also, even if you declared "the use of toilet paper" in the same fashion in which you declared "toilet paper", you would be missing a predicate, and therefore it would be a phrase and would not be voicing a complete thought.

You really don't find the use of toilet paper specific, do you. But I do salute you for using 'predicate', 'toilet paper' and 'complete thought' in the same sentence.

If the sea were made of Whiskey and I was a duck
I'd swim to the bottom and never come up

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I happen to come from Hong Kong and I agree with you.

Funny how that works.
Now we need a discussion about whether being racist is 'racist' (in a derogatory manner) when the stereotype in question is true.

Hmmm...

I'm sure you know, but just as a reminder for others. What I've said above was nationalist, not racist (in any sense of the word). Most of my arguments and most of the stereotypes in question don't apply to Chinese Americans for obvious reasons.

My own thoughts about the question you raise... I make these reasonable assumptions.
The first time you use racist (sans quotation) in that sentence, you are referring to the quality of simply being "racially aware" (recognizing or accepting stereotypical differences between races; whether or not those stereotypes are true or not is another discussion).
The second time you use "racist" you are referring to the qualities of

• being bigoted against individuals of particular races.
• feeling racial superiority or inferiority.

I am not bothered by the first type. I tend to look down on the second type. I don't think one must necessarily include the other. Stereotypes might be true, but they are merely heuristics (rules of thumb) that are broken often.

Besides, it takes a very simple-minded person to just rely on ONE rule of thumb to judge something as complex as an individual human. At the very least, even if we were to ignore a posteriori knowledge of the individual, a priori justifications based on non-racial stereotypes need to be considered: social class, wealth, occupation, income, company, criminal history, nationality, family, language, attire, etc...
Most people have greater capacity to judge on multiple dimensions, not just race.

Then we take into account a posteriori justifications like consistency of behaviour, sanity, friendliness, loyalty, etc... which I think should be even more important.

I think someone intelligent can be racist without being "racist". Sure. Someone can be aware of differences in race and perhaps even judge on race (as well as numerous other factors), without being hatefully bigoted and simple-minded about it.

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Quote from Dafat-MKII

I happen to come from Hong Kong and I agree with you.

Funny how that works.
Now we need a discussion about whether being racist is 'racist' (in a derogatory manner) when the stereotype in question is true.

Hmmm...

I'm sure you know, but just as a reminder for others. What I've said above was nationalist, not racist (in any sense of the word). Most of my arguments and most of the stereotypes in question don't apply to Chinese Americans for obvious reasons.

My own thoughts about the question you raise... I make these reasonable assumptions.
The first time you use racist (sans quotation) in that sentence, you are referring to the quality of simply being "racially aware" (recognizing or accepting stereotypical differences between races; whether or not those stereotypes are true or not is another discussion).
The second time you use "racist" you are referring to the qualities of

• being bigoted against individuals of particular races.
• feeling racial superiority or inferiority.

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I am not bothered by the first type. I tend to look down on the second type. I don't think one must necessarily include the other. Stereotypes might be true, but they are merely heuristics (rules of thumb) that are broken often.

Besides, it takes a very simple-minded person to just rely on ONE rule of thumb to judge something as complex as an individual human. At the very least, even if we were to ignore a posteriori knowledge of the individual, a priori justifications based on non-racial stereotypes need to be considered: social class, wealth, occupation, income, company, criminal history, nationality, family, language, attire, etc...
Most people have greater capacity to judge on multiple dimensions, not just race.

Then we take into account a posteriori justifications like consistency of behaviour, sanity, friendliness, loyalty, etc... which I think should be even more important.

I think someone intelligent can be racist without being "racist". Sure. Someone can be aware of differences in race and perhaps even judge on race (as well as numerous other factors), without being hatefully bigoted and simple-minded about it.

Shouldn't have quoted that to say this.

Well said, and I hope I will someday be capable of applying this mindset.
The hard part about this is convincing those that have completely opposing views.