Just wondering how much rights do you feel Scanlator groups have to manga.

Rights as in:
Having the sole right to scanlate one series
The right to tell online Manga readers not to post their scans
The right to tell file bases like Mangatraders not to upload their scans
The right to put day limits on uploading

Personally, as long as they have the credits page still in there I think everyone should be able to have the scans. There is absolutely no reason to claim anything other then the translations.

And if you say that they need money to operate, honestly they don't. There are ways to be completely free so don't tell me there aren't. The only sites I can imagine needing money are the mass uploading sits and the online manga readers, and that is only for operational fees.

And although I don't approve of "owning" one series, it makes my life 10x easier if one group could release one series. It maintains consistency and quality. For instance Vampire Knight has become a pile of doo doo due to competing groups.

What do you think?

Edit: Yes, asking for donations for raws can be considered acceptable.

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They don't have any of those rights. They might think they do, but they don't. Sure, they've the right to claim the scanlation as their own work; they deserve that much.
'Owning' a series is bullshit too. Scanlation groups should have the sensibility to tackle projects no-one else is doing, but if they feel they could do a better job then why the heck not.

If you admit that the online manga sites have the right to ask for donations because of the maintenance fees, then shouldn't scanlators also have the right to ask for donations for purchasing the raws? If scanlators should be able to find other ways to obtain the raws other than buying them, then shouldn't that apply to the other two sites you mentioned too? They should be able to pay for their own maintenance fees.
You complain about the qualtiy of the scanlations you are receiving. The different qualities of scanlations are also because the scanners and editors help make the scans easier to view. Yet you say only the translations should be claimable. So you are denying the hard work the people other than the translators on the team put into it.
Scanlators have the right to be the only one scanlating a series, to tell people to not upload their scanlations, and to limit when the scanlations are uploaded. But also the other parties have the right to not obey these rules.
You say the credits page should be enough but then think about real life how people and companies already have credits on their creations and they don't think it is enough either.

Donations for raws is understandable. I will admit that I forgot about that considering the group I work for get their raws from sources online.

And what I meant about owning, translations ARE the only thing they can LEGALLY claim rights to.

As an editor myself I KNOW all too well how much work everyone puts into every scanlation, but I can't CLAIM the cleaned scans as my own.

And when someone scanlates manga, they aren't doing it for themselves, they are doing it for other who want to read it. So shouldn't the fans be able to access the scans?

It' the idea of whats loved more: a necklace that you keep in a jewlery box for all time, or a necklace that has been worn every day that gets old and shabby but contains tons of memories?

So do you want your scans to reach as many people as possible to appreciate your work, or would you rather hide it away for a select few that know how to get them?

Can we all remember that when it all comes to it the original publishers and the Manga-ka have the full rights to each series? Scanlations are illegal.

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Just wondering how much rights do you feel Scanlator groups have to manga.
Having the sole right to scanlate one series

lol no

The right to tell online Manga readers not to post their scans

lol no

The right to tell file bases like Mangatraders not to upload their scans

lol no

The right to put day limits on uploading

lol no

And although I don't approve of "owning" one series, it makes my life 10x easier if one group could release one series. It maintains consistency and quality. For instance Vampire Knight has become a pile of doo doo due to competing groups. The one thing that drives me crazy about this is the fact that some series has at least 5 groups working on it and yet none of them do a hq volume scan. >:-(

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This is pretty obvious...& I suppose the only rights they really have are to the translations, but then again they didn't get permission to translate it and post them publicly, so none of that matters. A topic like this is sort of blasphemous on a site like this...If you have problems with the way scanlation groups work I suggest you go to japan and buy your own damn manga ^^;

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Well, some limits are going over the top, but in the end, those people are a lot of human beings just like us, except that they have labored to buy, clean, translate and edit for all of us readers. It is something that they enjoy, probably, but they're still taking time out of their lives to give to readers what otherwise we would never ever see. I think most things are acceptable. If they don't want their scans posted elsewhere, that's their right.

As least they're not demanding that we all go learn Japanese. I appreciate all the effort they put in.

(Which I'm attempting to do anyway, since most of the good series are either not scanlated, or scanlated badly.)

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Having the sole right to scanlate one series: Groups don't have the right. But if you're working on a manga and regularly releasing, if some group out of the blue starts it too, you can't help but feel pissed.
The right to tell online Manga readers not to post their scans: Yes, they have the right to. Do you think they ask it for no reason? Most manga readers have crap quality and most of the time, put it on without even asking the scanlator. This is why I love MangaToshokan, they ask permisison first, and then put it up with great quality. Also, manga reading sites bring unnecessary attention to groups who don't want to get shut down. So if a group asks them not to, they shouldn't.
The right to tell file bases like Mangatraders not to upload their scans: : Meh, I'm fine with it as long as they don't make a profit from it like NarutoFan.
The right to put day limits on uploading: Hmm...well if they want to, sure? The only reason groups do this is to direct people to their site and forum. I don't really care about it though.

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Having the sole right to scanlate one series: No, scanlators don't "own" a series, but I think scanlators shouldn't "steal" other scanlators' series (unless their releases are extremely slow and/or low quality. In that case, it's not "stealing" but just "continuing")

The right to tell online Manga readers not to post their scans: Yes, they're the ones that put in the work to get it to the public. It's their right to say who can and cannot use it.

The right to tell file bases like Mangatraders not to upload their scans: Yes, same reason as above.

The right to put day limits on uploading: Yes, same reason as above...again 😛

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Scanlators have absolutely no right to scanlate manga, unless they have the approval of the copyright holder. Now, this does not mean the approval of the author (mangaka). It mostly means the publisher of the work, because under normal circumstances the authors do not; however, the author might just hold this copyright. So, basically Prince Revolution! and Odd Squad Scanlations most likely do not have the right to translate/scanlate.

Therefore, the translators do not even have a right to their translations outside of their own personal use (meaning they can't share it). Unless, a company that obtained the right to translate the manga uses the scanlators translations as their own. Then, the translator could possibly sue the company.

This also goes for the sites that make use of the scanlations. They do not have a right to use the scanlations, which most are using for profit. This creates another strike against them.

Here's a link that talks about translator's rights.

Now, these waiting periods and other what not you asked about....

Scanlators should be dealt with in a courteous and kindly manner, but they are not guaranteed it (meaning the rules of a scanlator should be followed, but they can not be enforced). Scanlators have no control over their releases after it becomes public. All they can really do is say, "I/we will no longer scanlate, or maybe just that series, any more," when someone goes against their wishes. They might also ask their fans to not visit the noncomplying sites... but it would not really affect those entities.

I'm not certain of the validity within the spoilers...

Of course, they could put a virus in their chapters, but I believe that's illegal. Though, I don't think they would be prosecuted for it; since, we are not allowed to download the manga in the first place. Well, unless it was downloaded on a computer that did not belong to the downloader, which the owner--most likely a company or a school--would probably have grounds to sue the downloader and maybe even the uploader (if they can be found).

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and I don't know you. Make sure it doesn't leave the building."[/color]

Scanlators have absolutly no right on the manga except the tranlation and what they do is illegal you cant have any right on something illegal.

I do appreciate the work they put on them though.

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Now, these waiting periods and other what not you asked about....

Scanlators should be dealt with in a courteous and kindly manner, but they are not guaranteed it (meaning the rules of a scanlator should be followed, but they can not be enforced). Scanlators have no control over their releases after it becomes public. All they can really do is say, "I/we will no longer scanlate, or maybe just that series, any more," when someone goes against their wishes. They might also ask their fans to not visit the noncomplying sites... but it would not really affect those entities.

This.

Once those pages are released, it's done. There's not much they can about it. I always find it funny that some scalators are so strict. I mean, isn't the purpose of scanlating to share them? 🤣

I also don't agree with donations pleads. As a scanlator, I would never ask. I believe that the groups I'm currently a member of, are not and has never asked for donations. And yes, I've spend a considerable amount of money on scanlations, but I see it as my decision and feel that the burden shouldn't be put on the readers. It's a conscience thing, so what other groups decide is none of my business.shrugs

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They don't have any of those rights. They might think they do, but they don't. Sure, they've the right to claim the scanlation as their own work; they deserve that much.
'Owning' a series is bullshit too. Scanlation groups should have the sensibility to tackle projects no-one else is doing, but if they feel they could do a better job then why the heck not.

Sums it up pretty well.

They deserve credit for the work they put in, but as far as rights go? Not a chance.

That isn't to say that it's not understandable to get mad if someone picks up something you've been working on alone for a time and have never heard any complaints, but just understand that there is really jack shit you can do about it other than complain(And start unneeded drama) or stop working on it if you really don't like it.

As far asking for donations for the raws go, I see no problem with it as long as it isn't constantly being pushed in your face and pressured, if people want to help out the group doing a manga they love, that's their choice.

The only real right they have is to be liable of any kind of legal sue by the real Owner of the manga if he/her feels like it.