[quote=Keel][quote]getting married in city hall and married in a church are 2 different things

it was at the end of the first one you respnded too...

I mean't the first post you made, but yea I just noticed it... uh oh lol....

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What if we allowed gay people to have the same rights as in marriage, but called it something different (and disassociated it from religion) to avoid controversy. Would that make everyone happier? 😕 😁

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What if we allowed gay people to have the same rights as in marriage, but called it something different (and disassociated it from religion) to avoid controversy. Would that make everyone happier? 😕 😁

In the US it has already been ruled by the supreme court that separate is inherently unequal. If you remove marriage entirely as a legal status and replace it, then it works, but otherwise its discrimination.

I see nothing wrong with gay marriage, but I'm not religious and have grown up in an extremely liberal environment. As I see it, people are still people, regardless of their sexual orientation, and should be treated equally as such. I have things I can't stand as well, but that doesn't mean I think that people should be treated as inferior because they have a different opinion.

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IMO, same sex marriage shouldn't exist. Why??
well, its because technically, marriage is a bond between a man and a women which the set of community approves of as being legal in bind and form, that enables the couple to have SEX to EACH OTHER.

Don't get angry and try hunting me down or something, but to me, Love is boundless of time, space, form or even gender. Its just that most people i've met do this: Love = sex,
IMO, i'll say this: Love = caring, sharing, good relationship between 2 or more people.

I love my dad, i love my mom, i love my brothers and sisters, i love the uncle, aunt and their family next door and i love both Jesus A.S and Muhammad S.A.W. All that lovin everyone don't indicate i'm gay, incestous or just a maniac of some sort. Man, i just don't know why i'm ventin out just then.

The point is marriage is sacred, between a guy and a girl. 2 guy or 2 girls ain't a mariage in name but still marriage or not, its a partnership 4 life. Do it well and respect people around ya, yours trully ain't gonna say a word. Creep me out, both of ya are good for some but-whoppin by me.

p.s: if anyone of you are homosexual in any sense, GOD hates that same sex intercourse things and so does everyone IRL. But, if your love to each other is true and pure (no lust and intercourse whatsoever), go on loving till the end, just not in front of everyone. Man, that just @#$ creepy seeing you guys doing it.

p.s.s: that comment above just earned me super VVIP first class ticket to go to the deepest part of Hell. 😲 😲 So, see ya all in Hell.

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Hey, if two dudes or chicks like each other, and they're just MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS LIKE I DO MINE, then have at it. Marriage may be a term of religious origin, but in the contemporary socio-cultural and political climate, it's synonymous to a civil union, which itself is similar to a business partnership. Don't like it? Then turn away.

Furthermore, all you religious nutcases of Christian and all it's subsects, whatever it may be, should remember the line "he who is w/o sin cast the first stone".

To sum it up, if you ain't the one shackin' up, then go mind your own affairs. Some people are such busybodies, always IMPOSING their beliefs on others (yeah, you guys know who you are). Nononon!! None of that. 😔

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Furthermore, all you religious nutcases of Christian and all it's subsects, whatever it may be, should remember the line "he who is w/o sin cast the first stone".

lol love when quotes are used in the wrong way. It amuses me greatly.

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Hey, if two dudes or chicks like each other, and they're just MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS LIKE I DO MINE, then have at it. Marriage may be a term of religious origin, but in the contemporary socio-cultural and political climate, it's synonymous to a civil union, which itself is similar to a business partnership. Don't like it? Then turn away.

Furthermore, all you religious nutcases of Christian and all it's subsects, whatever it may be, should remember the line "he who is w/o sin cast the first stone".

To sum it up, if you ain't the one shackin' up, then go mind your own affairs. Some people are such busybodies, always IMPOSING their beliefs on others (yeah, you guys know who you are). Nononon!! None of that. 😔

jesus said that...but jesus also kicked gambles and prostotutes out of a church...the qute is meant to stop people from prosecuting others not to stop people from standing up for what they believe in and thier own truths

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Hey, if two dudes or chicks like each other, and they're just MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS LIKE I DO MINE, then have at it. Marriage may be a term of religious origin, but in the contemporary socio-cultural and political climate, it's synonymous to a civil union, which itself is similar to a business partnership. Don't like it? Then turn away.

Furthermore, all you religious nutcases of Christian and all it's subsects, whatever it may be, should remember the line "he who is w/o sin cast the first stone".

To sum it up, if you ain't the one shackin' up, then go mind your own affairs. Some people are such busybodies, always IMPOSING their beliefs on others (yeah, you guys know who you are). Nononon!! None of that. 😔

jesus said that...but Jesus also kicked gamblers and prostitutes OUT OF A CHURCH...the quote is meant to stop people from prosecuting others not to stop people from standing up for what THEY believe in and THEIR own truths

I just wanted to point out a few thing from your post that I agree with
BUT I agree with powkari_swett~uh

What people do in their OWN bedroom has LITTLE to NOTHING to do with the community, UNLESS it harms those in the bedroom
and "harm" is only subject to those IN the bedroom
....can't be saying that what they are doing is "harming" their "souls","morals","family values", and such,
just because you don't like it and they do

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jesus said that...but jesus also kicked gambles and prostotutes out of a church...the qute is meant to stop people from prosecuting others not to stop people from standing up for what they believe in and thier own truths

Alright, say my beliefs dictate that, for whatever reason, your beliefs are wrong and that's the truth to me. Now, say I am entitled to stand up for my beliefs by voting against your right to practice your beliefs, with the objective of banning certain aspects of it. Now, look up the definition of prosecution, then stew on that for a while.

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Furthermore, all you religious nutcases of Christian and all it's subsects, whatever it may be, should remember the line "he who is w/o sin cast the first stone".

lol love when quotes are used in the wrong way. It amuses me greatly.

I'm glad you're amused. Not that I think that homosexuality is a sin, but rather I'm fed up with a lot of religious nutjobs condemning it that way, thus I thought I'd use a technicality on 'em. And no, I'm not religious, and care not for accurate usages of the line. I quote that line in the same manner a lawyer would use legalese technicalities to serve their own cause.

What's yours is mine, and what's mine is STILL mine!!

Well god may love everybody but he also does support the killing of some groups of people among them the gays.

Maybe religious marriage in churches, mosques tempel, should only be ceremonial in nature, you want legality to your partnership both hetero and homo, go to the nearest goverment building to get it. Remove that right from religious movements.

And gays adopting what's the problem? they are gay not childmolesters.

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What if we allowed gay people to have the same rights as in marriage, but called it something different (and disassociated it from religion) to avoid controversy. Would that make everyone happier? 😕 😁

It already exists in Switzerland, France and other countries.

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And gays adopting what's the problem? they are gay not childmolesters.

The biggest problem for that (as a few people pointed out a few pages earlier) is the teasing and marginalization kids go through when others (especially classmates) find out that their parents are gay.

Still gay parents>>>>>dysfunctional families. imho atleast, but I've heard enough stories to realize which of them is worse.

Oh yeah, and I just realized how much the term "marriage" can mean. Are we talking just about the ceremony, or about the whole process? As I said before, the ceremony is one thing, and if everyone's so high and mighty on claiming equal rights, but still turn a blind eye when it comes to legalizing gay marriages?
Oh yeah, forgot. Politicians will lose voters because the "majority" will stop voting for them.

I believe that a gay couple should be afforded the same rights as a straight couple. As in in the government they should be able to get a marriage license.

Think about it, what if you decide that the person you want to spend the rest of your life with is the same sex, and you are in a place where the state doesn't support it. That means that when your beloved is ill and sick, on their death bed. You legally can't be the one to sign off on medical decisions in your partners stead. You can't visit because you aren't family. Geeze, do you people that are against it realize what a horrible person you are? You're saying that because you morally believe gay marriage is wrong, they can't stay by their partners side in the hospital, they can't sign off on the medical procedures. because in the government's eyes they are two strangers.

I think it is fine for religious institutions to be against, and object to gay marriage. But there should be a separation of chuch and state. Gays should be able to be married in the government, the church is more than welcome to decide if they can be wed in religious ceremony too. I think Christians forget that not everyone is christian, not everyone believes it is a sin. So I think it should be a choice. If someone is against gay marriage, then they can choose to marry someone of the opposite sex, is that really so hard?
Gay marriage isn't going to hurt anyone.

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jesus said that...but jesus also kicked gambles and prostotutes out of a church...the qute is meant to stop people from prosecuting others not to stop people from standing up for what they believe in and thier own truths

Alright, say my beliefs dictate that, for whatever reason, your beliefs are wrong and that's the truth to me. Now, say I am entitled to stand up for my beliefs by voting against your right to practice your beliefs, with the objective of banning certain aspects of it. Now, look up the definition of prosecution, then stew on that for a while.

my argument was to put down some one missquoting scripture. He said he who is without sin cast the first stone. That quote is meant tostop the persecuting of people. Not allowing gays to become married in a church is not a form of persecution. Here is the difference. Stoning to death causes death. Not being able to get married does not cause death. Get the picture? And on top of that Church is not something done with ones self. It is a community and church itself means society. I'm not trying to convert you guys and what you do with yourbeliefs is your own deal. To each his own. But infringing upon my beliefs and allowing gays to be married in a church is wrong because it bends the laws and if the laws were meant to be bent they would not exist. and Voting against my beliefs so that i could not practice my religio...yea that would not be considered persecution so you can vote all you want...but when it crosses the line when people are murdered and thrown in jail thats when it becomes a form of persecution.

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