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12:05 am, Mar 4 2010
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^ I agree with icabobsavage, marriage is a religious ritual, so no. Icabobsavage generally explained what i had to say, but I would like to add that passing such a law would make same sex marriage right. Now, if this happens your children and grand-children will be raised thinking marriage between the same sex's is right. Before you know it, everyone in the world will be gay.

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I disagree that marriage is just a "religious" thing - it's also a SOCIAL thing, involving the approval of society as a whole, and the acceptance of a couple as... well, a couple. A couple committed for life. There are also legal/economic/medical benefits...

Example: Like having a say in your partner's emergency/special medical surgery, say, if something should happen - if you're legally recognized as a family, then only will you have the right to even participate in such a discussion about the patient's rights. Otherwise, you'll just have to stand by like a stranger and watch your loved one die or go through a medical procedure they wouldn't have wanted to go through. You only have the right to legally speak for them in these situations if you are FAMILY, and the only way for non-blood-related people to be family is to be married, d'oh. (Or adopted, lol. In Japan you might be able to adopt another adult, which is what many gay Japanese couples do, but in many other countries, you can't adopt another person of the same age or close to it. Therefore: You need MARRIAGE.)

That's why everyone deserves to be able to get married if they want to; sexuality has nothing to do with it. I think it's wrong for someone to say, "Oh, I have the right to marry the one I love and be accepted by society and by the government and have the right to be there for my partner in medically urgent situations, but you don't have the right to do the same." That just doesn't make any sense to me.

Marriage isn't religious; it exists in all cultures in one way or another. Religions just perform the marriage ceremony differently. Marriage isn't a religious thing - it's a human thing, a natural need to formally declare your commitment to someone in a socially recognized way. Everyone deserves that right. (Sure, some cultures allow multiple marriages, but they're still marriages, you'll notice - as in socially recognized commitments. So marriage exists in all cultures, regardless of religion. It's a basic human right and a basic human need.)

To say that certain people don't deserve to be married (if they want to be), is the same as denying their basic rights. It's a double standard. It's just WRONG.

Yay for gay marriage!

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I don't approve of marriages in general.

I also do not approve of the US government's encouragement of marriage (by giving married people added benefits like tax brakes). I do not know of any other country's policy on this matter. If it's the same, then I do not approve.



However, I do not see any problem with any two consenting adult human beings entering into a civil union. So, I would like marriage's legal status to become null, void, and only act as the religious symbol that it is; therefore, separating church and state all the more. Then, put the legal status into civil unions. This would make marriages from that point on worthless without a civil union. In addition, the marriage and civil union can't happen at the same time, because only the state could declare something a civil union and like wise only a religious leader for a marriage. Which means, if a religious leader would like to declare a same sex couple married, it would be so.

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no i dont approve of it..
but heck.. it looks like i dont have much of a say on who these people want to marry..
so whatever...
but really, i dont really have a thing against gay people.. but they take away all the good men out there!!! dead

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otakuness: same could be said about lesbians taking away the women dead yet I don't mind biggrin

anyway, I'd say it's up to each religious institution to decide for themselves. . . though I'd also say that there needs to be a separation of church and state so all the legal/medical/economic etc. benefits would be given when you enter partnership and not when you enter a marriage per se, i.e. you should be given the rights from the state union and not from the marriage.

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Quote from PiLiPiNoY
^ I agree with icabobsavage, marriage is a religious ritual, so no. Icabobsavage generally explained what i had to say, but I would like to add that passing such a law would make same sex marriage right. Now, if this happens your children and grand-children will be raised thinking marriage between the same sex's is right. Before you know it, everyone in the world will be gay.


im sorry i have ot say this but i think this stament is highly unjust, i hope you were making a joke with the last part of your post, i dont see whyt here should be a problem for consenting adults getting married, as stated earlyer the partner should have as much right to make legal dessicion as that of a "normally married " couple

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That means you're Christian. I understand that you aren't Christian anymore but I don't understand how so many "used to be" Christians know nothing about it. roll eyes Christian means believing in Jesus Christ. Presbyterians believe in Jesus Christ.

Personally, I don't see why everyone needs to get married. It's just something you don't have and that makes you want it.

The government should have no say in marriage other then the tax benefits ect. Homosexuals should be able to go to war, adopt children, whatever they want.

As for the church... they can do whatever the hell they want. As technology is growing the need for religion is falling apart. Strict rules are just pissing everyone off. They are grasping at straws and we just need to wait and see how it works for them.



Yes, I know that Presbyterian is a branch off Christian. I'm not an idiot. Rolling your eyes, eh?
It's not just me and my mother, y'know, my whole family doesn't even practice it. We don't care, we aren't religious people and due to this, I don't know a lot about it, nor do I want to know. Not to mention my dad's side of the family doesn't practice religion either.
Also, I know that Jesus was real and all, but I don't believe in/follow him at all. Does that shock you? eek Okay, I'll stop being a smartass now.
I'm also the type of person to start believing in something once I've seen it. Like, for instance ghosts - didn't believe 'em until I saw 'em. And I really think I did once, when I was little, anyways.

Not this "presbyterian", I don't plan on getting married, because I don't need to be with someone to "be happy", and besides, I'm a loner anyways. And also, I'm antisocial, and I hate people - well, most people, so being with someone would be contradictory to my personality XD.

One of my teacher's once told me and my class, that they think that if homosexuals get every right that they don't have, straight people are going to go homosexual, which would mean the end of our race. Personally, I find that stupid. There is no way that everyone would turn gay. Sure I've seen idiots at school pretend to be gay because it's "in", for attention, but honestly...just...so...stupid.


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As far as I'm concerned, if they are happy then let them get married. Straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual or even multiple wives. I could care less about what other people do with their lives. Stripping a homosexual of the right to be wed to their lover is not going to stop them from being homosexuals, like some people in religion and the government think. Nothing can make a person change their sexual orientation short of killing them, and that is illegal.

About the marriage thing, it has long since ceased to be a religious union and more of a social union. The only religious things about most modern day marriages is a man of the cloth, or whatever they refer to religious people in other religions, and the words said man is reading during the ceremony. Even certain religious acts (crushing a glass, etc) are just done for show now. There are still some weddings that are very religious, but most are almost entirely non-religious in nature. I, a straight man, believe everyone should just stop lying or hiding and be who they really are. It is less painful in the end for everyone involved.

Also, I'm not planning on getting a life sentence because I'm not fit for a relationship, let alone marriage.

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Marriage in laws is also a way to control breeding between humans. It's how you avoid getting hooked up with your brothers/sisters or whatever else. It's also a contract which declare you and your partner are responsible for each others. So when something happens, either it's good or bad, you are to accept it as one. In the end, if there are same sex marriages, it doesn't violate the core of marriage since they can't have kids biologically anyway.
I disapprove of marriage in religion since I disapprove of religion itself. It's pointless to rely on something which has no way to affect your life directly. However, I do believe in the bond between people. So in my opinion, marriage is more of a way to strengthen the bond between 2 individuals and allow them to trust each others more. So why not let them, the homosexual people, do so? They are human too; they also have the right to show affection and attraction. Of course, marriage is among those right.

It's true that you don't have to have someone with you to be happy. You can be a loner and happy that way. But that does not mean others are the same. If they are happy with another person, let them be.

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Yes, please. I'll take 3 (I'm not so good at maintaining relationships).

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I believe in same sex marriage. I don't believe marriage is religious. The marriage to my wife 10 or so years ago was done by the courts, it had nothing to do with religion. It was a promise to spend our lives together, and to allow each other to be considered family (allowing for legal and tax issues to be resolved by both of us). We didn't take vows in front of a "god"; religion had no say (this is in answer to the posts that claimed marriage is religious).

I don't consider it right that I can vow to spend the rest of my life with my spouse but those who fall in love with the same sex are unable to. I have a friend, if he ever found the right mate to spend his life with, I wouldn't want to deny him the ability to put together his own family and say his own lifetime vows. I think him and his spouse should be allowed marriage to create for themselves the same legal benefit that I currently gain with my wife in marriage.

It's just another form of discrimination towards people who are different to deny such rights.

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I would just like to add that anyone who says that every single person will turn gay if homosexual marriage is approved is a) a total moron, b) probably gay themselves but won't admit it. Saying people will turn gay if gay marriage is approved of is just another way of them saying they would.
(I'm only adding this because I've already read this idea a few times now, not just here)

How can anyone believe that. I'm not gay and over here gays have pretty much the same rights as anyone else, asside from the occasional beating by insecure street punks, but that's only a few cases.
I don't even understand why men would be gay. Hell, I hardly understand what women find attractive about men. Now lesbians, that I understand.

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One of my teacher's once told me and my class, that they think that if homosexuals get every right that they don't have, straight people are going to go homosexual, which would mean the end of our race.

@Mikashi
If there is actually a teacher who said that I advise you to transfer schools. Anyone dumb enough to actually think like that is not even fit to teach monkeys how to throw poo at people in the zoo.

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I totally agree with you, The Guy.

The whole world wont turn gay if gay marriage is allow. That kind of idea is hilarious. There are many research which has concluded that gender, even if it's gay or les, is decided right the moment you are born. Just that you realize it soon or not. It has something to do with the brain. Even if there are many kids which say they are gay, to attract attention. However, most of them will grow tired of pretending eventually. Everyone gotta grow up, you know.

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Yes, I know that Presbyterian is a branch off Christian. I'm not an idiot. Rolling your eyes, eh?
It's not just me and my mother, y'know, my whole family doesn't even practice it. We don't care, we aren't religious people and due to this, I don't know a lot about it, nor do I want to know. Not to mention my dad's side of the family doesn't practice religion either.
Also, I know that Jesus was real and all, but I don't believe in/follow him at all. Does that shock you? eek Okay, I'll stop being a smartass now.

One of my teacher's once told me and my class, that they think that if homosexuals get every right that they don't have, straight people are going to go homosexual, which would mean the end of our race. Personally, I find that stupid. There is no way that everyone would turn gay. Sure I've seen idiots at school pretend to be gay because it's "in", for attention, but honestly...just...so...stupid.


If you knew it was a branch of Christianity then why'd you write that that it wasn't?
So don't bother fighting about it, you were wrong and I just called you out. End of story.
I don't practice religion either. And I honestly don't give a crap if you believe in God or not so why bother writing a paragraph on it?

And if you only believe in things that you've seen: Does Pluto exist? Did King Henry the 8th exist? Does Gravity exist?

And as for that teacher... do you live in one of those states that still doesn't teach the Theory of Evolution? roll eyes roll eyes roll eyes roll eyes

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I would very much so like the right to marry...

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