I know that a lot of people consider marriage to be a religious thing, but it has changed now to also be a legal affair. Married couples (at least in the US) are able to gain rights to share property, be informed of each others medical issues, and several other little (but important) things that I am too lazy to write. When it's possible to be married outside of a church by a judge, I'd say its no longer a religious issue and no one has any right to stop same sex marriages.

This is a ridiculous topic. The only reasons people seem to give to justify discriminating against allowing homosexual couples are:

1- It's not "the social norm". As some people before me pointed out, what does that have to do with the law? I have a strong personal emotion closely resembling hatred for anyone who proposes any kind of law should or shouldn't exist for this kind of reason.
2- Religion. Once again, NOTHING to do with the law. If your religion has a set of rules or moral standards, feel free to follow them. Don't try to force anyone else to though.

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I like the idea of marriage, It's so romantic! Two people who want to spend the rest of their lives together, there doesn't have to be anything religious about it! I think people should legally be allowed to marry the same sex. It seems strange to me that people refuse to accept the fact, when you really think about what it is to be a man and what it is to be a woman. If it's not in your nature, is it physical? What happens if that person gets a sex change? Should they still not be allowed to be married? Then if all that's keeping people from being allowed to be married is physical differences, that's so stupid. Then if it's about "well nature is against it, which is why they can't have a baby together" what about the women who can't get pregnant. Does nature also want them to not marry? I had a friend who recently came out, and people started ignoring him. Why? he's still the same person they liked before. I guess it's just fear. From what though? change? not understanding?

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I like the idea of marriage, It's so romantic! Two people who want to spend the rest of their lives together, there doesn't have to be anything religious about it! I think people should legally be allowed to marry the same sex. It seems strange to me that people refuse to accept the fact, when you really think about what it is to be a man and what it is to be a woman. If it's not in your nature, is it physical? What happens if that person gets a sex change? Should they still not be allowed to be married? Then if all that's keeping people from being allowed to be married is physical differences, that's so stupid. Then if it's about "well nature is against it, which is why they can't have a baby together" what about the women who can't get pregnant. Does nature also want them to not marry? I had a friend who recently came out, and people started ignoring him. Why? he's still the same person they liked before. I guess it's just fear. From what though? change? not understanding?

they're probarbly scared of it contaminating them. . . perhaps 😕 🤣

but anyway, yes, I agree I like the "idea" of marriage as well, and even if I'm a straight guy, yes I find it romantic. BUT I don't see why it has to be a church marriage, I mean. . . is a state union different in any way? (On a personal level, I'm ignoring all the benefits you get from having a church marriage) do you think a church marriage is somehow a quality marker on the relationship? 🙄 I'm an atheist so I don't want a church marriage primarily but I'd very much like some form of union, a vow to stay together etc. because I like that stuff. . . But WHY does the church have to be involved? 🤢

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they're probarbly scared of it contaminating them. . . perhaps 😕 🤣

but anyway, yes, I agree I like the "idea" of marriage as well, and even if I'm a straight guy, yes I find it romantic. BUT I don't see why it has to be a church marriage, I mean. . . is a state union different in any way? (On a personal level, I'm ignoring all the benefits you get from having a church marriage) do you think a church marriage is somehow a quality marker on the relationship? 🙄 I'm an atheist so I don't want a church marriage primarily but I'd very much like some form of union, a vow to stay together etc. because I like that stuff. . . But WHY does the church have to be involved? 🤢

I'll probably get married in a church because, it's my culture, but the church doesn't have to be involved! You can have a marriage ceremony preformed by a judge or anyone who is licensed (though I think you usually have to be a member of the clergy to get a license) Ship captains can even perform marriages. A civil union is not a marriage. Sure it's all the same legally (isn't it? Pretty sure...), but especially with the division between church and state they really should just allow same sex marriages. Who is our state to decide who we can or can't love? Churches can do whatever they want and claim thats what "God wants" but the state has no means by which to justify the discrimination.

I fully agree with you, now the problem is that at least in the US, I believe you have a lot of social benefits from having a church marriage, I don't live there though so I'm not 100% sure.

But that's the entire problem, people, regardless of sexual orientation, should be equal before the law etc. so if it's true that church marriages give social benefits and state unions don't. . . Well, I'd be pretty irritated at the bigotry. . .

Last year, we were supposed to write papers on same-sex marriage so i have read a lot of of articles etc about this topic.

and just wanted to share something i have read, since it was quite a different idea, i can't find the article but it was saying something quite similar to this;
"if rapists, child abusers, drug addicts, alcoholics, men who can beat down their partners etc can marry, why a homosexual couple cannot?"
basically it was an article about defending same-sex marriage against to thought that it dangers the society.

well, as for my opinion on the matter, i do say that why want to marry at all? answer lies mostly on economic part of the marriage since other elements of it can be obtained without the help of the law. so i am for the idea that some countries do use even now, some kind of social contract which is very similar to marriage yet it is not called marriage.

I wrote an essay paper on this for English at the start of the year. I personally believe that no one should be denied the right to marry. You love whom you love regardless of gender.

For all people who say that marriage is a strictly religious thing and same sex couples don't produce offspring etc. what about atheists? Does that mean that they shouldn't marry either because marriage is a religious thing.

why can't they marry

I'm not gay nor is anyone I care about gay so I don't care.

No one gives a shit what trite garbage you write here.

I dont support gay marriage becasue of religious beliefs, and therefore i vote against it. Thats the purpose of a vote, to have teh freedom to say what you do or dont believe in without feeling hindered to see or think a certain way. I know a lot of people will think this porpostuous and thats your point of view, your belief system. Think about it, if everyone who doesnt believe in gay marraige is "evil" how closed minded is that? If you believe in it go on ahead, I just can't supprt you, I'm not going to say your bad heathens, I understand my point and yours what more can I say?

I don't use "bad" words, I use SENTENCE ENHANCERS.

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For all people who say that marriage is a strictly religious thing and same sex couples don't produce offspring etc. what about atheists? Does that mean that they shouldn't marry either because marriage is a religious thing.

Atheists have hard times getting married in a proper church.
Usually you have to know the priest, and then you have to go through this marriage course in the church before getting married. So technically atheists can't be married IN the church. But if they can find some random priest that does house calls they can.

Atheists can have civil marriages.

There is also common law marriages. I wonder if the government recognizes same sex common law marriages? Because I'm going to assume that most homosexuals that are lobbying for same sex marriage are already in a 'common law marriage'.

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I dont support gay marriage becasue of religious beliefs, and therefore i vote against it. Thats the purpose of a vote, to have teh freedom to say what you do or dont believe in without feeling hindered to see or think a certain way. I know a lot of people will think this porpostuous and thats your point of view, your belief system. Think about it, if everyone who doesnt believe in gay marraige is "evil" how closed minded is that? If you believe in it go on ahead, I just can't supprt you, I'm not going to say your bad heathens, I understand my point and yours what more can I say?

The same thing, but with better spelling and grammar would be nice. As far as what you said, the point of democracy isn't to give the ignorant a say in government affairs. I don't think the founders of any country were saying to themselves "let's make a system of government where people who have no idea what's going on are encouraged to participate".

As for the rest of what you've said... sigh. You really shouldn't just say people shouldn't do something because your religion doesn't accept it. Contrary to popular belief, marriage is not a religious institution. And even more important, government and religion are supposed to be separated, so that people can't misuse religious positions to gain political power.

I'm not telling you to vote differently. Just retract your statement.

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okay x0mbie. . . I agree with you on the fact that marriage isn't solely a religious act, however, can you honestly say that there is no religious elements in a marriage with the priest standing up there giving the union the blessing of their god?

However, on the point of separating church and state I couldn't agree more, that's the thing I've been saying over and over again. let a civil union be the institution that gives legal benefits, not the marriage.