Wait noone said we have to do tricks we can use them for like driving around almost as fast as cars without doing a thing that would be a big step for human technology

Probably could.
But, not as good as the one from the manga.
But, if we remove Laws of Physics and Logic. Yes. XD

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Tsch screw what u think, if u use a system that derrives from a truck stops weighing thing, with a strong enough shock system you can get the lift and the speed, if the front wheel has a pressurized shock system that calculates the users weight and uses that to pick up speed, then to stop you just remove all, or most pressure from the ball of your foot, then to jump you bend your knees to build pressure on the shock and jump... This way you will be able to do tricks and acheive the speed wanted with a pressure system that of the airgear series

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Yes i believe some similarity will be achieve as in how to ride it and stuff but the "tricks" i don't think thats possible... made by professional of course

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Whether it can be made I don't doubt. What I doubt is the practicality and the ability of the human body to cope with doing tricks at that speed. It just seems too unrealistic to expect a person to be able to do some of the things in Air gear as well. Comeon Running up walls 😕 Not really likely at all.

Food for thought :

Get your own Air Trek

$699 for 25mph of pure joy /gayness

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I'm the king 😀

Awww...shoot...that is cool, though.
😀 [url]http://www.theishoes.com/products.html[/url] Hey, this is cool, this could be used for the equipment to make somthing more simular to AT's! Or you could just modify it to look like AT's.

first of all, nothings impossible. if ppl in the 1700 come to the future rite now, they would be like "wth?its impossible" but u know what, after years, we made everything possible. if now we cant make ATs from Air gear, we can wait until new technology comes out. ppl used to play with left over jumk, and now look what happens today? Video games, toys, RC cars, action figures,etc. If inventors can make sumthing like a IPHONE that can hold so many functiions, why cant we build ATs?

o that reminds me. even if we arent able to make ats that go like 80 mph, i would still be happy if it goes at least 5-10mph. I mean at least we got it to move. right? we can always go make and make sum quick changes.

ATs dont have to be made to ride on walls and do fancy tricks. they can just be used for fun and transportation instead of cars.

and has any1 everythought that ATs might be illegal since it might not reach the transportation rules or lines or w.e it might be too dangerous

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first of all, nothings impossible. if ppl in the 1700 come to the future rite now, they would be like "wth?its impossible" but u know what, after years, we made everything possible. if now we cant make ATs from Air gear, we can wait until new technology comes out. ppl used to play with left over jumk, and now look what happens today? Video games, toys, RC cars, action figures,etc. If inventors can make sumthing like a IPHONE that can hold so many functiions, why cant we build ATs?

o that reminds me. even if we arent able to make ats that go like 80 mph, i would still be happy if it goes at least 5-10mph. I mean at least we got it to move. right? we can always go make and make sum quick changes.

ATs dont have to be made to ride on walls and do fancy tricks. they can just be used for fun and transportation instead of cars.

and has any1 everythought that ATs might be illegal since it might not reach the transportation rules or lines or w.e it might be too dangerous

True i must agree on what he said and we can already assume that technology are getting small and more powerful now we have to cope all that into a look-alike roller blade. Now putting that on you're feet and working it may be another high obstacle but mimicking those trick.. some can do in small scale manner( lot of practice though)

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It will never be made.

1. Something like the AT would NEVER pass safety commission and making one commercially would be a one way ticket to getting sued your pants off. It will NEVER be made.
2. Imagine the physics. Imagine something acclerating at your feet extremely fast. Where does that go? Do you think it will somehow magically propell your entire body forwards or do you think it will be more like having your feet strapped to a gigantic sling shot? It doesn't matter how much you lean forward b/c that's a calc based on gravity, high speed will easily overcome gravity's force.
3. God... there's so many more.... but what's the point? It's fiction people!!!

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Ok ive read and read but you people are not thinking im from the topic MAKING AIR TREAKS im the brains of the operations and ive already answer your questions on the MAKING AIR TREAKS forum....first off all you have to make you speed up to the top speed unless u want to fall flat on your back (thats just common sence) 2. its made for parts war it going to break some laws but laws a ment to be broken plus ats can go where cars cant so were pretty much not going to get caught www.freewebs.com/partwars <----the web site. 3. go to the making of air treak tread we passed your topic up and im already starting to build but i need a better battery.....any ideas 😕

and you know grumpy...people said things like lights are impossible and rockets and the earth was flat and all these things and what happend people went to the moon people made lights and computers and telephones...nothing is impossible it just takes a matter of time...because theres anyways something new to be discovered everyday and everyday someone is thinking of new idea and laws of physics have been broken before and will be broken again

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I definitely think that something along the lines of ATs will be possible. But I don't think they will be able to do everything they can in the manga. For example, I don't see any of the regalia items being possible.

Maybe I've been reading the manga wrong or just misunderstanding, but isn't half of the power (if not more) from the user actually skating and not just a motor? In the manga they don't just stand up and zoom off, they still "run" like a normal skater does. I figured something along the lines of a spring loaded mechanism in the wheels would be the key to making ATs.

Maybe every time you step down on the skate it loads up a spring in the wheel that will release as you let up and kick you forward. And somehow as you gain momentum it will wind the spring tighter so you gain power with each step. Basically the harder and faster you step down the harder and faster you go forward. Plus as one skate is pushing you forward the other skate would be rewinding for the next step.

If that could get worked out you wouldn't even need to worry about a motor or energy source in the skate. The hard part would be finding a material strong enough and flexible enough to coil and release. Carbon nano-fibers is my primary thought. Strong, light, and highly durable.

Well that's my thoughts on ATs anyway. Hopefully someone is still reading this and will point out where I'm wrong or pick up on an idea and improve it.

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I definitely think that something along the lines of ATs will be possible. But I don't think they will be able to do everything they can in the manga. For example, I don't see any of the regalia items being possible.

Maybe I've been reading the manga wrong or just misunderstanding, but isn't half of the power (if not more) from the user actually skating and not just a motor? In the manga they don't just stand up and zoom off, they still "run" like a normal skater does. I figured something along the lines of a spring loaded mechanism in the wheels would be the key to making ATs.

Maybe every time you step down on the skate it loads up a spring in the wheel that will release as you let up and kick you forward. And somehow as you gain momentum it will wind the spring tighter so you gain power with each step. Basically the harder and faster you step down the harder and faster you go forward. Plus as one skate is pushing you forward the other skate would be rewinding for the next step.

If that could get worked out you wouldn't even need to worry about a motor or energy source in the skate. The hard part would be finding a material strong enough and flexible enough to coil and release. Carbon nano-fibers is my primary thought. Strong, light, and highly durable.

Well that's my thoughts on ATs anyway. Hopefully someone is still reading this and will point out where I'm wrong or pick up on an idea and improve it.

Thats a good theroy but,

1. there no substance in earth that can coil like that
2. even if they made something or you discovered anything that can do what you were trying to do it would create enough power to move you let alone you break the coil it will move you about 2-3 in per coil judgeing by the weight........thats y you need a motor to give you that big push then you just control the others

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FangKing123, what do you mean? They've had the technology for 20-30 years at least. I used to have toy cars that did that very thing. You pull back on them a few inches and they shoot off for a few yards at least and at a pretty good speed. That is a 20 to 1 ratio of push to pull in a toy that is smaller than the wheel of a skate and using very cheap parts.

The difficult part is, as you pointed out, dealing with the weight of the rider. That is why I thought that the use of titanium or carbon fiber products would be good. They'd be far stronger and lighter than the low grade steel or plastic used in the toys.

Also you would need to figure out a means of controlling when the wheel would be charging and when it is releasing since it would all be single direction as opposed to pull back and launch forward as the toys do.

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and you know grumpy...people said things like lights are impossible and rockets and the earth was flat and all these things and what happend people went to the moon people made lights and computers and telephones...nothing is impossible it just takes a matter of time...because theres anyways something new to be discovered everyday and everyday someone is thinking of new idea and laws of physics have been broken before and will be broken again

I'm gonna agree with you half way. Yes, things that seems to be impossible turns out to be feasible in time. BUT that doesn't mean the basic laws of physics are going to change. Back when people said earth was flat, they were simply in denial. Most scholars knew it was round, just couldn't say it - it was heresy. I've never heard ppl saying "light is impossible". and the term "rockets" are impossible was largely driven by propaganda purposes. These so called "broken" beliefs are mostly started out as something with a motive. Not for the purpose of knowing or for science.

New ideas and new laws are made in physics but they do not break the existing ones for which are proven. The ones that were "broken" were simply that it was inaccurate or never were proven. If you are thinking of cycle of things like what aristotle said, corrected by newton, corrected by einstein, etc. They were never proved laws. The notion of provable laws barely existed in physics back in aristotle days. Newton's laws were never "proven", only theorized and it was not incorrect but inaccurate.

We could go as far as to say we can (eventually) build something lot like star-trek kinda system where we say that the air trek can even have a system that will propel every molecule in your body at approx equivalent speeds to actually make it feasible at extreme speeds. We could even say that there's some sort of levitation system in the future that prevents ppl from falling from 100m in the air for safety. We can say that there will be a motor size of a penny that can give off thousands of newtons of force. But the idea of air trek is so precisely defined that, what it is, we can declare it as simply impossible. It's like saying 1+1 will someday be 3. It never will be.

On the other hand, if we keep saying, change this part, remove this part, add this part... etc. to make it plausible or simply "similar", I don't think we can really define that as an air trek even if it shares the same/similar shell - the looks. Well, I suppose if it were to exist, there's some flexibility done by marketing dept.

PS. 1+1 = 0 can be true given a finite field. 😲 (if you didn't understand that, don't bother - but then, if u understand that, you probably knew already 😮 )

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FangKing123, what do you mean? They've had the technology for 20-30 years at least. I used to have toy cars that did that very thing. You pull back on them a few inches and they shoot off for a few yards at least and at a pretty good speed. That is a 20 to 1 ratio of push to pull in a toy that is smaller than the wheel of a skate and using very cheap parts.

The difficult part is, as you pointed out, dealing with the weight of the rider. That is why I thought that the use of titanium or carbon fiber products would be good. They'd be far stronger and lighter than the low grade steel or plastic used in the toys.

The energy input = energy output - heat. basic law of thermodynamics.

For your toy car theory, even if you pull back 1cm and it goes 20cm, the force to pull that car back is greater than it is to propel it 20cm. You cannot store more energy than you put in.
If you look @ cars for example (non hybrid), they only have 32% efficiency. that is, the fuel burning gives off 100N equivalent of force but the car going will only be 32N's worth (Force (N) = acceleration * mass if you don't know/remember newton's 2nd law). That's how horribly inefficient our current technology is at. Now that's only part 1.
When you push forward in 45' angle (for simplicity) at 100N, we can say that 70.7N (this is cos45) are used to propel you forward at some % efficiency. If you take energy from this source, that means you're simply going slower. Thus removes the point. and another 70.7 (i know they don't add up) in keeping you from falling down. If you remove from here to gather energy, you are just going to fall down to the ground or fail to jump. again, defeats the purpose. Where is the spring going to collect energy from? The idea of down becomming acceleration in manga is liikely referring to as simply a trigger mechanism - a various speed switch in a way. Not a source of energy mechanism. This is where the idea of things like hybrid cars come in. In reacting against the surface, heat builds up, using this heat, you RECYCLE the wasted energy from loss of efficiency and get energy (hybrid cars collect energy from your breaks when stopping mostly). You don't get energy from what you are doing, it means that you will steal some of that energy and fail to do w/e it was there for that purpose. So this is point 2.

Given the extremely horrible efficiency @ current technology in collecting heat at higher (than ambient) temperature (btw, people stomping on ground causing heat is extremely hard to collect, if at all possible at current) and extremely horrible efficiency @ propelling foward. Now jam this into a tiny shoe. How much outcome do you think we'll get out of this?

So to simply put, you cannot take energy from you moving to move you even faster. That's called free energy and either that doesn't exist or some extremely powerful gov wants us to think that it doesn't 🤢 . Recycling can make it MORE efficient, but like mentioned, won't get you far when we're talking about leg-power in today's world.

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Not too sure if anyone is still following this or not but after reading through the ideas I thought that the use of magnets was the best. Not too sure if anyone actually thought out how it would work but heres a slight description for you. Have you ever seen a coil gun? It uses magnets to fire off ball bearings at high speeds. These ball bearings go in a straight line, imagine if this ball bearing was inside a wheel, stuck in place with a magnetic hoop at the top of the wheel. If you notice how a coil gun works, the more magnetic fields, "hoops" if you will, it passes through, the faster it goes. This would loop the ball bearing through the same magnet infinitely. There's the power source, simple enough. How do you control the strength of a magnet to determine speed? You don't. You use an electro-magnet and control the amount of electricity flowing around the metal object used to your said "electro-magnet". You'll need to store the battery in a place somewhere on the skates.. you can all determine for yourselves where that may be. Next is the control of the electricity... You can seperate the "shoe" part of the skate and the top of the wheels and put in a round cylinder in the very middle to be used as a focal point. Then put a control in that will increase the amount of electricity depending on how far foward the shoe leans. Magnetic plates between the "shoe" part of the skate and the wheel parts would be good as well as that way the natural state of the skates would be where the shoe was not tilted at all, but completely flat. Here's a crappy drawing, try to use your mind to understand and do a little research into what magnets can do and have been used to do.

Crappy AT drawing
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2439/atschemlg9.jpg

Coil Gun and other related magnet videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KED8oEx0Nlc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS-ihkq8mKI&NR=1

Coil Gun Wiki Entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coil_gun

Even with all this there are issues, but it's still one step closer. The issues left can be handled with time... and money. None of which I believe anyone here can spare. The best idea would be for someone to create a formal schematic and contact a venture capitalist company and throw the idea at them. You may not earn any money (or fame as venture capitalists usually take all of that) but we'd get what we originall wanted... a world with ATs ;-)

actually i have time and money,I think i might just take the time and build a pair,probably not gonna be the most manga-ish but quite effective

Before you go off wasting time AND money, or money^2...

Coil Gun technolog to spin a wheel! Creative? yes. Good idea? lets explore.

Suppose it is buildable into a shoe sized item to simplify the concept.

Now, coil gun as you see in the videos/wiki, you know that they have a linear trajectory. So, if you build this around a wheel with a pivot in the middle, you are exerting a force in the x-axis (we'll define it to be x-axis). Then, due to force on pivoting, it turns. But, then we're causing strain on the material of that is to pivot around. So, this builds up heat and wear&tear to heavy degree. To prevent this, we can say we build this coil in a circular manner without making the coil touch the ground due to obvious reasons. It could be done internally i suppose. Can't really see it any other way. Now, lets recap, there's a (electro/ic) magnet in a circular pattern or at least one that is able to sustain energy in a circular manner (could be two on opposite sides, triangle shaped, box, etc) spinning an object that can be charged in the middle. Uh... I think I just described a motor! Oh noes! we just re-invented a crude motor!

If we want to spin something with electricity, a motor is as efficient as you get.

Now that i saved you money, can i have it instead? 😛

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