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If you seriously found these, Good job.

Edit: I still say at best they are half siblings. And i find it funny that it went from a discussion about 405 to a discussion about flaming how temari has a brother. But thats just me.

this is all stuff you should have found on your own really. aside from that like i said check the wiki it's was made from people who actually read the chapters and took notes on all the tedious information your denying. what surprises me the most is that your the one who turned this from being about 405 to this whole thing about Gaara's siblings. how can you be shocked at how it turned out?
also granted them being half siblings is possible, but there's also assumptions that they're full blooded siblings. cause they say she looks just like Gaara's mother, so it alludes to that possibility. I seriously doubt that everyone on wiki is a certified Naruto expert, Seeing how the only expert would be the creator himself. And as you brought up earlier it could be a misunderstanding in the translations. But enough about that.

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If you seriously found these, Good job.

It took like 5 minutes: I have them archived in arcs, so I just browsed through those chapters quickly, stopping whenever I saw a picture of Temari or Kankuro to see if they mentioned their relationship, and I probably skipped a few.

You probably did, But It doesn't matter. People won't change their views even if they have proof, so essentially I was just causing trouble to pass the boredom. The fact that you actually got proof instead of saying check wiki or look for it yourself shows you're a good person. Kudos to you, Kudos... and not Jimmy Kudos either, hes dead.

Now back to the discussion. 405 has been fully said and whatnot, but i wanna know someone else's opinion on this. Who else thinks that Naruto will somehow get all of Jiraya's techniques. Like his summoning techniques and whatnot. You know, like what he used against Itachi in that one hot springs they went to back in the place where they did that thing. Since they showed a picture of Naruto with a toad/frog other than the 3 we've seen him summon, I get the feeling hes gonna be using summoning techniques now.

Any thoughts?

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Now back to the discussion. 405 has been fully said and whatnot, but i wanna know someone else's opinion on this. Who else thinks that Naruto will somehow get all of Jiraya's techniques. Like his summoning techniques and whatnot. You know, like what he used against Itachi in that one hot springs they went to back in the place where they did that thing. Since they showed a picture of Naruto with a toad/frog other than the 3 we've seen him summon, I get the feeling hes gonna be using summoning techniques now.

Any thoughts?

Another frog? I've seen pics with him and a frog that is supposedly Gamabunta (a frog with a pipe, I think) around a year ago, but I've never seen a pic with him and another frog. I don't recall him even summoning a frog post-timeskip. As for Naruto learning Jiraiya's techniques, I highly doubt it. It could be cool if he learned how to enter hermit mode, but I find it hard to imagine Naruto doing something besides henge no jutsu, kage bunshin, and rasengan. Though since a recurring theme is that the current generation surpass the former, Naruto learning how to do hermit mode w/o help is entirely feasible. Personally think he needs some fuuton action going on. Kishimoto has already spent a good deal of time showing Naruto training to use fuuton rasengan, he should go learn something from Kakashi or find a decent fuuton wielder (maybe another journey to suna is in order).

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Now back to the discussion. 405 has been fully said and whatnot, but i wanna know someone else's opinion on this. Who else thinks that Naruto will somehow get all of Jiraya's techniques. Like his summoning techniques and whatnot. You know, like what he used against Itachi in that one hot springs they went to back in the place where they did that thing. Since they showed a picture of Naruto with a toad/frog other than the 3 we've seen him summon, I get the feeling hes gonna be using summoning techniques now.

Any thoughts?

Another frog? I've seen pics with him and a frog that is supposedly Gamabunta (a frog with a pipe, I think) around a year ago, but I've never seen a pic with him and another frog. I don't recall him even summoning a frog post-timeskip. As for Naruto learning Jiraiya's techniques, I highly doubt it. It could be cool if he learned how to enter hermit mode, but I find it hard to imagine Naruto doing something besides henge no jutsu, kage bunshin, and rasengan. Though since a recurring theme is that the current generation surpass the former, Naruto learning how to do hermit mode w/o help is entirely feasible. Personally think he needs some fuuton action going on. Kishimoto has already spent a good deal of time showing Naruto training to use fuuton rasengan, he should go learn something from Kakashi or find a decent fuuton wielder (maybe another journey to suna is in order).

I like this idea, it would sure make naruto a bit cooler.

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Another frog? I've seen pics with him and a frog that is supposedly Gamabunta (a frog with a pipe, I think) around a year ago, but I've never seen a pic with him and another frog. I don't recall him even summoning a frog post-timeskip. As for Naruto learning Jiraiya's techniques, I highly doubt it. It could be cool if he learned how to enter hermit mode, but I find it hard to imagine Naruto doing something besides henge no jutsu, kage bunshin, and rasengan. Though since a recurring theme is that the current generation surpass the former, Naruto learning how to do hermit mode w/o help is entirely feasible. Personally think he needs some fuuton action going on. Kishimoto has already spent a good deal of time showing Naruto training to use fuuton rasengan, he should go learn something from Kakashi or find a decent fuuton wielder (maybe another journey to suna is in order).

If you read 405, it shows naruto sitting on a frog next to Jiraya, a frog that ISNT gamabunta(The boss frog) Or the 2 frogs he summons from time to time, You know, the small ones who are the size of his forearm.

And i dont mean "hermit mode" I mean things like that jutsu Jiraya used to get into the Rain village. Or when he used a frog to block an attack. Essentially, i mean becoming the new jiraya, and not just a 5 jutsu genin. Srsly, he only has 5 jutsu, and everyone else has at least 6. I think hes missing out!

Actually, i think he only has 4. Kage bunshin, Rasengan, Fuuton rasengan and that stupid taijutsu he does. So ya, 4.

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he has 5, but different variations of them. but they're far from Genin level, since no one his age at the time had enough chakra to do them. the fifth one being something only he can do which is the chakra shield he creates, granted it is dangerous to use. but if he had control over it, it'd be one of his deadliest ones.
and it's not like he's the only one who knows so few jutsus, the only ones shown having known more are pretty much the adults of the series, other than that he seems to know at least the most compared to some of the nins in his age group in Konoha. with the exception of Sasuke who has a high list than him.

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For naruto's powers: I think the two small frogs will grow up and will be formidable summons later on. Also Naruto could do a kage bunshin, and summon an army of frogs at once.

Plus he still has yet to show us the off limits jitsu he learned from Jiraiya from the 3 years training(teleportation?).

Hopefully the powers he got from Itachi relate to genjitsu, since Itachi knows that he is horrible at genjitsu. That or releasing some of the nine-tails powers, or counter-attacking when the nine-tails is attempted to be removed from Naruto(to kill madara...)

So Akatsuki still has madara, pein, the double personality guy, and the paper chick left I think, and they are all after Naruto now...So will naruto go to toad mountain, or still be with team kakashi. Or will he more fully develop his wind chakra usage to suit his rash one on one style of fighting...

I sorta agree, but theres one thing thats bothering me about what you said, and some others have said this too, but its that name "Pein". I know its pronounced Pain, but when looking at it all i can seem to think of sayings is "Peen" Which is a slangish? word for penis xD

And lets analyze that statement a little, JrD. 😀

Naruto: Ive listed his. And then he has the kyuubi.
Akamaru/Kiba: That double fang, the Beast transformation, the red Akamaru, the super double fang, the giant two headed dog, and i don't remember any moves from shippuden.
Sakura: Her strength easily beats any jutsu, so does her medical jutsu. Shes pure win, except that shes a stupid whore. But her jutsus pwn anyways.
Shikamaru: Ya, he doesn't have many, hes only seen using what, 2? But he has the brains to only NEED 2 to win.
Chaoji: Dude. he has like that meatball thing, the partial body enlargement, and the pills that look like dangos. Skinny Chaoji > Kyuubi Narutu any day.
Ino: Who was she again? Oh yeah, shes the body changer. thats all she has, Except the thing that risks her hair.
Hinata: Shes pure win cause byakugan easily outwins any jutsu. Plain and simple.
Neiji: Same as Hinata, only he's half as win cause hes male.
Lee: He doesnt have taijutsu, but he has the gates and that one taijutsu that uses some Chakra. But the gates easily win.
Ten ten: Whens the last time you even SAW ten ten? Like, 40 episodes ago?
And finally Shino. Hes pure win. He doesn't need an explanation. Piss him off, you'll wake up with a roach infestation, so you cant win against him.

So out of all the Genins that are now Chuunins or Jounin, Only 1 who loses against Naruto. If you count Kyuubi, then thats 3. Ino, Kiba and Hinata. And Hinata only loses cause she wouldn't hurt a hair on Narutu's head cause shed faint before she gets the chance to.

And with all that said, Those are the reasons that Naruto, even though hes super powered and almost never loses and has super win jutsus, is a simple 5 jutsu Genin who loses in terms of Jutsus compared to all the genins who graduated with him.

Ps. I spelled it Narutu occasionally on purpose 😀 My way of bashing naruto. And if you think this was a hate post against naruto, Youre so right, you deserve a cookie 😀 I think i should start an "I hate naruto" fanclub 😀

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And lets analyze that statement a little, JrD. 😀

Naruto: Ive listed his. And then he has the kyuubi.
Akamaru/Kiba: That double fang, the Beast transformation, the red Akamaru, the super double fang, the giant two headed dog, and i don't remember any moves from shippuden.
Sakura: Her strength easily beats any jutsu, so does her medical jutsu. Shes pure win, except that shes a stupid whore. But her jutsus pwn anyways.
Shikamaru: Ya, he doesn't have many, hes only seen using what, 2? But he has the brains to only NEED 2 to win.
Chaoji: Dude. he has like that meatball thing, the partial body enlargement, and the pills that look like dangos. Skinny Chaoji > Kyuubi Narutu any day.
Ino: Who was she again? Oh yeah, shes the body changer. thats all she has, Except the thing that risks her hair.
Hinata: Shes pure win cause byakugan easily outwins any jutsu. Plain and simple.
Neiji: Same as Hinata, only he's half as win cause hes male.
Lee: He doesnt have taijutsu, but he has the gates and that one taijutsu that uses some Chakra. But the gates easily win.
Ten ten: Whens the last time you even SAW ten ten? Like, 40 episodes ago?
And finally Shino. Hes pure win. He doesn't need an explanation. Piss him off, you'll wake up with a roach infestation, so you cant win against him.

So out of all the Genins that are now Chuunins or Jounin, Only 1 who loses against Naruto. If you count Kyuubi, then thats 3. Ino, Kiba and Hinata. And Hinata only loses cause she wouldn't hurt a hair on Narutu's head cause shed faint before she gets the chance to.

And with all that said, Those are the reasons that Naruto, even though hes super powered and almost never loses and has super win jutsus, is a simple 5 jutsu Genin who loses in terms of Jutsus compared to all the genins who graduated with him.

Ps. I spelled it Narutu occasionally on purpose 😀 My way of bashing naruto. And if you think this was a hate post against naruto, Youre so right, you deserve a cookie 😀 I think i should start an "I hate naruto" fanclub 😀

all those characters moves have only been seen during the Sasuke Retrieval arc. there's really been no change with any of them specifically. aside from growing a few inches and new clothes none of them have shown anything new, save for a few.
Kiba, Choji, Neji, Shikimaru, and Lee. all have the same moves or better versions of the ones they've had before. other than that it's the same skills they had in part 1. Sakura may have gained brute strength but she's still in the same boat as Ino, Hinata, Shino, and Tenten, nothing new from them. Naruto's jutsus also seem to be a lot more difficult to learn, and require a larger amount of chakra to use for them.
and Choji > Kyuubi Naruto? that's kind of impossible Choji is now where near strong enough to do that. if Naruto used his Chakra shield to turn into a mini Kyuubi again to fight Choji, the guy would be dead. last time i checked he was no where near the level of a legendary Sanin and Naruto's Kyuubi form managed to push one back scar another one horribly.
out of all the off them not only one could loose to Naruto a good amount of them could a good amount of them could if he really fought them. especially the way he is now. aside from Shikamaru, Naruto's become a bit more crafty in his use of his jutsus. and adding his Chakra Shield, none of them would survive.
Naruto is no simple 5 jutsu Genin, he may have the rank of one but jutsu wise he's at least Chunin level. (personally i think he's at least Jounin level cause of how dangerous his jutsus really are).

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all those characters moves have only been seen during the Sasuke Retrieval arc. there's really been no change with any of them specifically. aside from growing a few inches and new clothes none of them have shown anything new, save for a few.
Kiba, Choji, Neji, Shikimaru, and Lee. all have the same moves or better versions of the ones they've had before. other than that it's the same skills they had in part 1. Sakura may have gained brute strength but she's still in the same boat as Ino, Hinata, Shino, and Tenten, nothing new from them. Naruto's jutsus also seem to be a lot more difficult to learn, and require a larger amount of chakra to use for them.
and Choji > Kyuubi Naruto? that's kind of impossible Choji is now where near strong enough to do that. if Naruto used his Chakra shield to turn into a mini Kyuubi again to fight Choji, the guy would be dead. last time i checked he was no where near the level of a legendary Sanin and Naruto's Kyuubi form managed to push one back scar another one horribly.
out of all the off them not only one could loose to Naruto a good amount of them could a good amount of them could if he really fought them. especially the way he is now. aside from Shikamaru, Naruto's become a bit more crafty in his use of his jutsus. and adding his Chakra Shield, none of them would survive.
Naruto is no simple 5 jutsu Genin, he may have the rank of one but jutsu wise he's at least Chunin level. (personally i think he's at least Jounin level cause of how dangerous his jutsus really are).

See, this is one of those cases where no matter what facts or assumptions have been shown, You will still be a rabid fanboy of naruto who would die if anyone resembling him told you to (This just means youre that big of a fan, Its not literal), And i will still be a Naruto Hater, Who would kill anyone in real life if they ever end a sentence with "Dattebayo". Now, while i understand what you said, Since you and I will never agree, I say arguing with each other is pointless. Because i can tell you right now No matter what you say i will always hate the weak naruto who has no original jutsu and no real "Final technique". And at that i have one last thing to say.
Regardless of how strong naruto is, the fact remains that he IS a 5 jutsu genin, And probably WON'T change that until either A. Sauske dies Or B. Sasuke is saved.

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And how is this a discussion on 405 again? Oni if your going to instigate and flame other members you're gonna piss off the mods and get the thread locked, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet...

So unless you have something relevant to say about things don't post, and jrdragon stop rising to Oni's bait.

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please don't feed the trolls...?

I really don't wanna lock a chapter thread for the first time...so if this continues, I just hit the delete button several times

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Even though we all hate to think about it, the the next chapter might start focusing on sasuke or the code rather than naruto, and honestly, we havent been seeing enough of naruto lately.

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And how is this a discussion on 405 again? Oni if your going to instigate and flame other members you're gonna piss off the mods and get the thread locked, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet...

So unless you have something relevant to say about things don't post, and jrdragon stop rising to Oni's bait.

i'm not trying to bite his bait, i was only trying to bring in relevant facts on what he was spouting. but it seems he doesn't want to handle the discussion in a mature matter. so really don't blame me for his posts, i'm just putting what i know out there to answer his questions. it's not my fault he feels the need to flame me.

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I really don't wanna lock a chapter thread for the first time...so if this continues, I just hit the delete button several times

i apologize it ended up this way but like i said he's the one throwing the shots at me for just answering his questions....

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Even though we all hate to think about it, the the next chapter might start focusing on sasuke or the code rather than naruto, and honestly, we havent been seeing enough of naruto lately.

probably not, i don't think this is the last of this kind of chapter for the time being. the code may be important but i doubt it'll be something so big that a whole chapter will be dedicated to it. it's possible the next chapter might pick up a back story for the 8 tailed Jinchuriki actually. since a good amount of them have been skipped aside from Gaara. and we know that Sasuke is on the move for this one. so if Kishimoto is going to return to Sasuke again this could be a logical step in his story telling.

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Even though we all hate to think about it, the the next chapter might start focusing on sasuke or the code rather than naruto, and honestly, we havent been seeing enough of naruto lately.

I know what you mean... Even though the last 2-3 chapters went back to Naruto, I get the feeling that pretty soon it will go back to team Snake/Hawk/w.e and will stay like that for a while. It sucks to admit it but it seems that there is so much more interesting stuff going on with Sasuke's gang than with Naruto's.

• Sasuke going for the 8-tail beast.
• water-boy wanting to fight Kisame for the sword
• that cursed seal guy could lose control and just kill them all (i can hope cant i?)
• Madara and his manipulation (wonder how many more ppl's strings hes pulling...besides the whole Water country)

As for on Naruto's end all I can see is:

• decrypting Jiraya's code ("dont worry naruto! you dont need jutsu. use ur guts! insert Guy sensei smiley here)
• Naruto doing some more usele... i mean "special" training (yes even though he recently did just that) Somebody please give him a hyperbolic time chamber already. He needs it badly.
• Naruto gets his ass handed to him by Pain. That dude(s) honestly seems untouchable right now. From what I've seen I don't think that even Madara and Sasuke can beat him. I mean hes 6 guys, can heal himself when a few go out of commission, and to top it off hes got Rinengan which was supposably better and older than the Sharingan.
  Why does he even takes orders from Madara?

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