Yami, if someone changes the description, you can view that series' edit log to see the old one and replace it. candy... Yea, I want to do that and also limit amount of genres once I get around to it.

Indeed Manick, the description thing is an easily repairable but the cover thing is time consuming. I believe about 100-150 (I stopped count the asteriks after 90) covers and/or description were change to an english publisher's information.

Every dead body that is not exterminated becomes one of them. It gets up and kills! The people it kills get up and kill!

i agree with word count limit for descriptions, but also, how about a "click here for more info" sort of link?

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all good ideas. I've got a plan on my list to re-write the description system so I'll take these suggestions into account when I get around to it.

Previously in this thread I suggested that locking genres is not necessary, but today after finding "ES" as action and "Cesare" as fantasy and shoujo, among several other things, I have to say that locking is probably the best >__<

edit: maybe it would be good idea to put couple of most representative manga for each genre near the genre description (as example)

I think that goes back to what I was saying before. What is action to one person may not be action to another. You know. 2 guys kiss in volume 10 of some manga and instantly people call the whole series yaoi (not actually speaking about any manga, but just giving an example). But I mean, there may be a few action sequences, but if the main focus and enjoyment of the series isn't action, then it doesn't deserve the action genre.

Or... just because a author generally writes shoujo series, doesn't mean all of their series are shoujo.

Yes true, also about genres that are demographic such as soujo/josey and sounen/seinen (not shoujo ai/sounen ai, because those are often part of shoujo or sounen; not always, but still and yaoi/hentai is usually easily determinated). Maybe it’s good idea to stick to the where it was serialized in order to determinate what is what. Magazines as in general aim for certain age group and even if I realize that there are sometimes exceptions to me sticking to such technicality will help to avoid unwanted mess. Kodanshas' Afternoon won't start serializing shoujo all of sudden, for example.

And if it's an exception then it could be pointed in description as it was done here Sing Yesterday for Me

Perhaps someone could suggest a good change to the genre system that would fix this problem?

If you don't mind to do some more coding <__< and if you want to create magazine/genre associated system, then you could probably code it to update the genre when the serialized field has value (i hope that makes sense). It should perform a check too and in case there is an offensive genre, remove it, so you won't end up with say shoujo and seinen in the same category, once this implemented then i think this particular field should remain unchanged (locked) and not even appear in the edit genres option

does this make sense?

example:

BLAME! --->serialized == Afternoon ----> Afternoon == Seinen ---> if (Josei, Shoujo, Shonen, Shoujo == True ) remove; ----> Set genre ==Seinen ---> Lock demographic genre, leave other as is

sounds painful, but should work.

Of course every change after that should be done via admin. Possible change might occur if manga change magazine in which it's serialized and from shounen goes seinen for instance (and there are two contradicting magazines in the serialization field) of course you can perform additional check giving seinen and josei priority in such cases

This way once serialization is in place demographic genre becomes locked

edit: Also in the same spirit, adult (in sexual sense) should not exist with hentai and the genre descriptions need to be more defined and less vague. For instance right now "adult" and "mature" have almost same description. Same happens with tragedy and drama, ok you may say that tragedy is escalating drama, but why create so many small fragments of the same thing? I feel (and this is mainly after spending some times looking around the genres yesterday) that the definitions should be more absolute and it need to be made clear that if a character makes a joke in vol. 15 it doesn’t make the manga a comedy <__<, but I’m not sure how others feel about it?

So basically I think it would be good idea to divide genre by two: demographic and content. They both should be locked at some point. Demographic should be locked after the serialization is defined and Content could be locked after the series is completely scanlated (for works that are less than 3 volumes) and for series that are longer it could be locked after 4-5 vol are out. Upon locking the content it would be probably good idea to check if everything is correct and in order. Anyway that’s one idea.

sorry for long post >__<

Theres a small problem that relates to borderline series. This is more seen in long series, but a good example of it would be something like Nana. Its published in Cookie, which is targetted towards late teens. Its still in that 8-18 female "shoujo" umbrella, but it has distinctly josei elements to it. I think especially as it gets later in the series, and its original audience is grows up, it becomes even more increasingly josei.

Or with things that change serialization as you said. Its all just confusing. I think seperating demographic from genre all together might be a pretty good idea though.