Libya
14 years ago
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The Libyan conflict is a civil war. Any intervention of any kind should not be supported by the UN as, I'm sorry to say, the Libyan people have to fight this one out themselves.
This is truly a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. You need not look further than Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan, and Iraq to figure that one out.
Extremist will accuse the west of becoming involved in a civil war thus declare Jihad x10 on us, while on the other hand Libyan society would shout bloody murder for not assisting them.
There is no right answer for this. Best to stay out of it.
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14 years ago
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like i said earlier gaddafi is a very unpredictable man. they have stooped him from travelin, frozen his assets. so i even if he was to stop now he'll will be charged with crimes against humanity.
and being the kind of person that he is off cause he is going to fight to the last bullet. the guiy isn't going to comply to a no fly zone or a no drive zone that they a suggesting because all it will be doing is gaddafi to stand and wait for the rebel forces to take over, for him to give up now is the same as him forfeiting his life.
Does the Un resolution count the Rebel forces as civilians?
What will they do if the rebel forces start attacking the Civilian population?
What if Libya becomes like Sumalia?
the question goes on and on. i'm happy that they stopped a possible blood bath but it also feels like they didn't really think this through properly. as long as gaddafi is alive this war will keep going on!
14 years ago
Posts: 560
Did you hear this on the new today?
A Libyan woman, who was held for 2 days, raped and humiliated by men of Gaddafi's militia, tried to reach out to the foreign press, hoping her story is known. The government officials and hotel workers, were trying to shut her up and prevent the story from being spread, calling her "Traitor" for saying things like that. They tried destroying cameras and anything that would record her story. They even threatened the journalists, who were trying to protect her. Eventually, she was seized and taken away to a "hospital" but it's definitely worse than that...
I know there is a debate about whether or not it's right for foreign countries to meddle in this mess, but I feel that this just needs to be stopped as soon as possible. Countless number of civilians have already been abused or slaughtered and many, many more will soon live the same fate. Why should we just let this all happen? It's insane. This needs to be stopped.
14 years ago
Posts: 390
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What if Libya becomes like Sumalia?
Utterly different cases, there is no such a possibility.
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I know there is a debate about whether or not it's right for foreign countries to meddle in this mess, but I feel that this just needs to be stopped as soon as possible. Countless number of civilians have already been abused or slaughtered and many, many more will soon live the same fate. Why should we just let this all happen? It's insane. This needs to be stopped.
It surely is terrifying, but believe me she is not the only one, raping is extremely common in wars, you can be sure that there are kadhafi supporters raped too.
And even if there aren't, the kadhafi opposition showed that even tough they have the right reasons and the right thinking they are not politically capable.
The people that suffer when a country goes to shit is way worse than a rape. In war ravaged countries rape, stealing, killing become common. People suffering because they don't have what to eat.
I don't support these rebel leaders because what they did is stupid. And I see three possible why's to what they did.
- They don't care about their people and just want to get to power. Even if the country is ravaged.
- They have no political, warfare and economic understanding. They didn't know that to get in a all out war with the government you need to have strong allies inside it. They didn't know the suffering they would bring to their people.
- They do know what would happen but still tought that facing what comes after the civil war is better than remaining in Kadhafi's government. Wich I find difficult, if it was so utterly bad he wouldn't have any supporters aside from his army.
What has to be done now is first end kadhafi, and support Libya in every possible way, they are going to go through very difficult times.
14 years ago
Posts: 108
The problem is when you remove Gaddafi is there is not a system to replace him. Plus, the rebel leader has admitted they have had Al Qaeda support, and this just has BAD JUJU written all over it. As I said, there is no right or wrong answer for this. No matter which decision is made, the end result is most likely going to be bad, particularly against the western nations.
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14 years ago
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A rebellion against a dictator supported by Al Qaeda.....
Is this supposed to be a joke?
I guess Libya was better off with Kadhafi
14 years ago
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@Klapzi: Considering that there was never any support from any other faction, I think it's pretty reasonable for a rebellion to accept help from Al Qaeda. Let's be honest, terrorist groups don't think of themselves as "evil," they tend to have a reason to do the things they do. That doesn't make terrorist actions justified, it just means that there's an internal logic.
A state that forms with some backing from a terrorist group isn't necessarily going to end up badly for the general populace. I suppose there might be some concern of corruption from an international security standpoint, but I doubt the Libyans are going to end up worse as a direct result.
Plus, we can get into mixed media messages surrounding Al Qaeda and what is actually centralized and not all day. It's pretty convoluted stuff.
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14 years ago
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@Klapzi: Considering that there was never any support from any other faction, I think it's pretty reasonable for a rebellion to accept help from Al Qaeda. Let's be honest, terrorist groups don't think of themselves as "evil," they tend to have a reason to do the things they do. That doesn't make terrorist actions justified, it just means that there's an internal logic.
A state that forms with some backing from a terrorist group isn't necessarily going to end up badly for the general populace. I suppose there might be some concern of corruption from an international security standpoint, but I doubt the Libyans are going to end up worse as a direct result.
Plus, we can get into mixed media messages surrounding Al Qaeda and what is actually centralized and not all day. It's pretty convoluted stuff.
Sorry but you got it all wrong.
I think Al Qaeda is much better than USA government, they at least have a reason other than greed to do what they do.
I just said that if you are going to make a rebellion against a dictator you shouldn't get help from groups that are dictatory themselves
Edit: The reason why the state is not going to work I have posted before, the help from Al Qaeda only made the Rebel Leaders look more ridiculous. Didn't really make the situation worse, since looking more ridiculous doesn't change how ridiculous you are.
14 years ago
Posts: 302
I'm an Arab and i'm an Algerian (so i just live next to Libya)
well in the 90's i was a kid and i supported Saddam
but now like Bob Dylan said the "times are a changin"
the Arab societies have changed radically in the pas decaded and now the govs are no longer uptodate they either have to be upgraded or utterly formated and replaced by a new more open and transparent system (think opensource) 😛
what we understood from our past experiences with nationnalism,communisme ,islamisme is that fanaticism and ideology is utterly horrible and will corrupt governement and religion
so the only thing we need is Freedom and Democracy and let the civil society run by itself (like Belgium without a government) 😀
14 years ago
Posts: 1127
i agree with @JakeOrion this is a no-win situation,and everyone meddling in this mess is doing it out of self-benefit
the us government is interventing merely because ,libya is a rich source of oil
its true someone should stop this ,but that someone is certainly not the us
gaddafi is going down for sure..even he knows this,so this is no longer a civil war,the guy is just slaughtering the people out of anger and revenge,its like if-i-cant-have-this-my-way-noone-else-would.
this is a mssacre ,NO LONGER a civil war
14 years ago
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Wars happen. That's plain human nature, and there is nothing we can do about it. Sadly, people die too.
Any course of action whatsoever that innocent saves lives that would have otherwise been lost is one I wholeheartedly appreciate, if not support, no matter what the reasons are. Sometimes, you take the best you can get.
There are times when you will miss what you never had. I wonder how you will find what you so desperately need.
14 years ago
Posts: 742
Do you think gaddafi will step down, now that the rebels are In tripoli and his son is captured. I personally think he will fight to the end cause there is nothing else waiting for him except prison and a very long trail.
