the topic of this forum is basically
discussing that, do you think that there will be a level
where ichigo managed to pull off something higher than
a bankai or a vaizard? if so , lets all try to compete with
our guesses, how accurate it will be...

i think that ichigo will turn into a deeper hollow form surpassing that
and becoming some kinda demon-like form with other features like
horns and wings related materials.... im basing it of on the fact that
hollows meaning empty turn to menos grande, some huge but still
empty inside, than turn into aducas an animal or beast like form (besides
grimjaw) and turn into a vastlords (so theyre complete?) .....

i think ichigos mask is just a minor hollow form, since its just a
shell of mask rather than covering his entire body... since he can still
keep his sanity while in that form.... since its originally mixing
a hollow in a shinigami.... so cant they fully master that hollow form
just as arrancars did and how shinigamis master their form of
final release (bankai )... considering the fact that ichigo almost turned
into some kinda weird thingy while mastering vaizard in that
blonde guys lair.... so im assuming that was like a premature state

ichigos true form is a 9 headed dinosaur since it cant be a 9 tailed fox!!!!jk
anyway he'll probally just be in a full hollow form that makes him lose his state of mind.

It's a shounen genre, so Ichigo is bound to surpass everyone in an ultra great way :/
I just can't figure, how... I don't think that turning into a hollow completely and then surpassing it could solve the problem. He wouldn't get enough power after that 😐

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he more than likely will surpass, but i've got my fingers crossed tite won't make it something like "hollow lvl2 mixed with bankai lvl2 w00t!!!!!!!!!!!!"

maybe if you account foreshadowing he could fight alongside the dark ichigo in him? double his power? or maybe i've just said something stupid and the dark ichigo is actually just the hollow ichigo,making nothing i just said make any sense

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maybe if you account foreshadowing he could fight alongside the dark ichigo in him? double his power? or maybe i've just said something stupid and the dark ichigo is actually just the hollow ichigo,making nothing i just said make any sense Hmm...you mean like some sort of deal between them, that allows them to fight together? That could happen, I guess...Still, I'm afraid that Tite will go for the typical shounen solution :/

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I think he will have to accept the hollow Ichigo as being part of himself before he can bring the true powers of being a Vaizard to bear. I think he's just been forcing himself into the Vaizard mask, against his unconscious will, up to this point. Thus the reason he can't maintain it for very long. The morale, of course, being you have to accept who you are, even the bad parts, before you can move ahead. 🙄

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@spanky- hmm that makes a compelling argument. kind of complete the vaizard transformation. tho as long as tite doesn't do the stereotypical thing alot of ppl are hoping he won't, i think i'll be happy

what i wanna know is what hollow ichigo ment when he said that thing about not dying before he shows up again...
maybe that has something to do with his power...

... This is shonen manga were talking about here... Goku had how many power-ups? im pretty sure there were a few Super Sayans and some monkey stuff... but anyway... dbz aside... ill point out the face that this is SHONEN manga again... Personally i think that his next powerup will have something to do with consuming his zanpaktou... temporarily? or a level above Bankai that nobody knows about...

I think Vaizard will be the last 'transformation'. Btw, Bleach does not look like DBZ. >_> In DBZ, they just made up those transformations as time went on. (e.g. Super Saiyan 1, 2, 3, etc.) In Bleach they already hinted the Vaizard transformation in the very beginning. So it wasn't as if that fell out of the sky.

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I think Vaizard will be the last 'transformation'. Btw, Bleach does not look like DBZ. >_> In DBZ, they just made up those transformations as time went on. (e.g. Super Saiyan 1, 2, 3, etc.) In Bleach they already hinted the Vaizard transformation in the very beginning. So it wasn't as if that fell out of the sky.

thats one reason i really like the series. i can't stand it when series just pull stuff out of hat that ends up saving the day. tite set up the shinigami and vaizard stuff early on, made some method to the madness and me a happy fan.

I agree with Dr. Love in thinking that vaizard is most likely the last transformation, but during his training to achive that power we got to see the lizard like hollow (instant regeneration and high speed and his tail, really like a lizard, but at the extreme) and i think that when he use the vaizard power and FULLY master it, he will be able to take that form again (higher level form of vaizard) 😮 but he won't be using his zanpaktou (is it spelled right?) because that also boosts his speed, which reminds me, didn't the "dark" ichigo also say something along the lines "I am your zanpaktou" or "He and I are the same" can't exactly remember it...

I don't think that Lizard Hollow-like form is anything relevant at all. Tite was just demonstrating that Ichigo was being "taken over" by the Hollow inside him. And notice, that when he achieved victory that the "outer shell" fell apart. In its remains stood(fell actually) Ichigo.

It's kind of symbolic. As in, that he fought against his "inner evil"(Hollow AKA Hichigo) and conquered it. By doing that, he became a much stronger person(Vaizard form). So it would be kind of absurd that his full transformation will be the Lizard Hollow-like form(Inner evil).

I don't want an transformation or anything like that. Ichigo is strong enough. He doesn't need a transformation. His reiatsu equals, if not is even larger, than Zaraki's. His only problem is lack of experience and technique, but he's slowly getting there.

So what he needs to do, is know how to fully utilize his reiatsu. And maybe learn some additional/versatile techniques with it.

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I think that there is still room for some grow, ishida just showed some of his new tricks, chad showed us the tip of his iceberg......well rukia got two new techniques, and ichigo can hold his mask for about two minutes.....there is no need now for a new update (well maybe for orihime and renji).

and ichigo just copied moves and attacks he saw til now, I think untill the next power update he will learn some new tricks or conquer his hollow core completely.

I dont really foresee any drastic changes when it comes to the nature of Ichigo's attack style or any new special techniques. Its possible that he might further develop his Bankai, but I doubt he will surpass the form and reach something totally new, the same I think would apply to his Vizard form.

If I recall what I have read correctly, to surpass the maximum powers of a Shinigami/Hollow one must combine their powers with those which Hollows/Shinigami use. I think from now on it will just be Ichigo learning to use his hollow powers, so dont forget he has yet to use ANYTHING of a hollow nature yet besides changing into Vizard form.

If he does come up with a new amazing move or something, it will probably be a combination of his Bankai with whatever the most powerful thing that its possible for a Hollow to use.

Basically he has all of the basic powers he will probably ever get, he just has yet to truly develop them, and that is what will produce a change in Ichigo's strength.

(I probably could have worded that a little better, but I didnt feel like taking forever to respond. Sorry if its a little incoherent)