What i saw from the files is that MH contact VIZ, not VIZ contact MH. See, i'm on this business for some time already, scanlation with HAO (but i kinda away right now) and we doing it for free, no profit in it.

Anyway i feel like a backstabbing.

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Silly idea. MH is international site. If Viz would like to sell manga through it, Viz would have to buy whole-world-covering license. Doing something like buying license for a certain country only to sell it via MH would be - simply - stupid.

It wouldn't be profitable.

You're just assuming Viz wants to distribute the international ones, nothing in the document says anything about that. I'm guessing that they'll just drop all that, I mean, who needs 20 spanish naruto scans anyway?

Yes, I am assuming this. If not, why would they bother to /buy the MH/pay owners of MH for letting them use its structure to sell/ probably the biggest INTERNATIONAL manga-scanlation site? It doesn't make sense. Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper to use non-international if they prefer to stay in 'english-only' category ; -)?

FYI - spanish is declared as first language by ~350M people. English too. (but as a second, it is about 2.5x spanish). So hey, 20 spanish Naruto scans makes almost as much sense as 20 english ; - )

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Or exactly as much as 50 english scans in terms of plain&simple math 🤣

they can't sell what isn't theirs... period. if they do they open themselves to lawsuits. strictly speaking they can ONLY sell what they bought the rights to.

at most they can privatize (pay to dl) the site like tazmo and have you pay for "access to their server" as an indirect way of paying for free shit done by others who aren't being paid on series that they didn't buy the rights to. which would still open them up for lawsuits from jp publishers.

either way they are sellouts

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Why would anyone want to forge something in such detail?

In order to make it seem believable. And for a bona-fide business proposal, it seems pretty lacking.

Besides, and MH upper level confirmed it was true too...

Really? Show us where.

I can't really post it without removing his name, besides you're determined to believe we're all lying and you're the only logical one here, continue to do so.

Anyway, this is a pretty serious issue imo, I mean, MH is basically trying to curb scanlation... did you read that part in the files?

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It is. And if Viz buys the website, then this will more than likely get most scanlation groups to quit seeing how they know that their projects are getting sold and they don't get even a cent.

this whole thing just makes me want to scanlate more, and I was contemplating about scanlating a series already released online by viz, guess I'll do it now, just to piss them off. 😀

It won't. If it would piss them off, then scanlations of Jump Comics' manga and other manga owned by Shuiesha would have stopped a long time ago.

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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.

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Bile-- rising up-- esophagus-- too fast. Sounds like a bad joke. Probably is. Still-- must rant!

Son of a bitch. The last company I'd trust to translate manga may be looking to mangahelpers to help stamp out scanlations. I see liberal use of whiteout, badly drawn underwear and missing pages/chapters in a future of Mangahelpers + Viz. May they burn for their sins should this come to pass.

I don't mind the idea of seeing ads in the manga. Hell, I'd been advocating the damn idea since 2003 as the only feasible means of getting steady income out of online anime/manga in the first place. After that, making it a jump off point to buy figures, model kits, t-shirts, posters and other merchandising crap would only be natural. It isn't rocket science but apparently the people running the publishing companies drag their knuckles while they walk; which explains the random and infuriating editing/censoring/butchering decisions over the years.

The idea that they are doing it off the backs of scanlators sucks ass of course. Taking scans to make a profit without giving anything back is about as rotten as you can get cough Crunchyroll cough. If it is done to legitimize instead of suppress scanlations, then I don't see a problem with it though. They buy up all the licenses and toss HQ scans into the wind. They get their money, we get quick HQ raws in addition to the current site. Of course that's just a pipe dream. More likely, they'll just gut their site, dump in whatever they can license and try to sell to a fanbase that will immediately go on an exodus. Damn you Crunchyroll! 🤢

If it is done to legitimize instead of suppress scanlations, then I don't see a problem with it though.

Why would a licensing company want to help with legitimizing scanlation? Scanlation is what keep their pockets half full...

http://foolrulez.org/blog/2009/09/mangahelpers-viz-sell-scanlation-scans-hayate-media/

I have made an update, now there's the link to the business plan and...

well, just look at the image at the end of the post. I am not sure there's people who wants to scanlate for free manga that will be sold.

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I found a post detailing njt's defense of MH's actions... found it on another forum:

[url]http://www.jcafe24.net/index.php?topic=13068.25[/url]

As long as it stays free...

[color=#ff0000]"“That's the difference between me and the rest of the world!
Happiness isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria!” "[/color]

Which is what we all hope for... though mangahelpers intends to "educate us to support the real industry" despite gaining it's userbase and "resources" from the "fake" industry... hypocrisy.

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As long as it stays free...

People are afraid that this might make MH like Crunchyroll or Tazmo, where they make people pay to get on their servers to look at free content.

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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.

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Exactly, and for all intents and purposes... that's what it looks like...

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If it is done to legitimize instead of suppress scanlations, then I don't see a problem with it though.

Why would a licensing company want to help with legitimizing scanlation? Scanlation is what keep their pockets half full...

Simple. They could get a strong presence online without spending a lot of money. Give people access to raws and slap on a stipulation that scanlations using them have to include the sponsor's advertisements. A generic credits/series of sponsors pages would suffice. They make money off the advertisements and scanlators get legitimized access to raws.

As I said, it is an incredibly unlikely scenario but a guy can dream now can't he? Knowing how anime/manga companies tend to screw their fan base though, I'd hazard that they'll go the Crunchyroll route and work to kill scanlations. 🤢