Hide Post Counts
18 years ago
Posts: 278
Quote from TSD
I doubt hiding the post count would increase the quality of the posts since if someone wants to make a post that is of low quality and sentence structure there is nothing to stop them from doing so.
Hiding post counts takes away their incentive for making such a post.
Quote from uZ
I guess what I'm saying is that statistically speaking i don't think we can just go ahead and say if we take away post counts, people wont still think Mamsmilk is king of forum because he has 3,000 posts(estimate). because although there isn't a number, anyone who uses the forum has probably seen him at some point, probably at many points. and of course its given that if someone is looking to integrate themselves into a social hierarchy, they will likely take advice from someone they see as being integrated into that hierarchy. But I don't think there is any reason to say that the people only "appear" to be integrated into the social hierarchy, instead of actually being integrated into that social hierarchy. If a person is recognized on a forum, for whatever reason be it for spamming, or for having very elaborate responses, I think that they are integrated into that hierarchy, irregardless of post count. post count just makes it obvious to people who don't use the forum often to see these people right off the bat. So i just don't really see the point in this. Just my 2 cents
I really don't think you get the internet, good sir. Since you brought up Mamsmilk, let's use him as an example. His posts are generally written in pseudo-English, and I haven't seen any concrete examples of him bringing anything to the board.
I think it's clear that he's become "King" solely because of his post count number. Were such behavior to arise from a newer member I would doubt you'd be so receptive. Take away his post count and he's no longer any sort of "king." (I'm actually surprised that there's such a popularity contest on this board, considering it's fairly inactive.) Going by post quality, he gets cut out of the picture.
Sure, people can be integrated into a hierarchy, but it's best to think of people who have a large amount of posts that appear to be really good at the internet when they're not to be posers. I believe that's a fairly understood concept. Hopefully you're at the point where you can understand where I'm going with this.
Also, I find some delicious irony in the fact that you mentioned that people's first impressions are formed by post counts, so how is what I'm saying wrong at all?
Member18 years ago
Posts: 1397
well, mams' constant appearance will make sure he's known. and further, mams doesn't give a crap about being king.
while some people may put their lives on this site and sit in front of the computer thinking up oh so fancy responses considered "useful and of quality". lets not forget that there are some who does have a life, and rather just use this site to have some fun. since when did this site become a scholarly university forum for japanese comic studies?
if that is the case, i want my MU master's degree =P
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18 years ago
Posts: 278
Quote from Israfel
while some people may put their lives on this site and sit in front of the computer thinking up oh so fancy responses considered "useful and of quality". lets not forget that there are some who does have a life, and rather just use this site to have some fun. since when did this site become a scholarly university forum for japanese comic studies?
I have more of a life than you and I can still manage my time to make worthwhile posts here. See, I volunteered my time for peer mentoring today, as well as joined up with the Environmental Club for the second year since its founding. Yesterday I spent two hours volunteering at my school after hours, helping people find their way around the school. I think it's safe to say that not only do I have more of a life than you, but I'm also better at the internet than you. Enjoy your community college.
People like you are why the counts need to be hidden. ;_;
Also: Stop shitting up my thread, and only post if you have something worthwhile to say. KTHX.
Member18 years ago
Posts: 1397
Quote from Dark_Sage
Quote from Israfel
while some people may put their lives on this site and sit in front of the computer thinking up oh so fancy responses considered "useful and of quality". lets not forget that there are some who does have a life, and rather just use this site to have some fun. since when did this site become a scholarly university forum for japanese comic studies?
I have more of a life than you and I can still manage my time to make worthwhile posts here. See, I volunteered my time for peer mentoring today, as well as joined up with the Environmental Club for the second year since its founding. Yesterday I spent two hours volunteering at my school after hours, helping people find their way around the school. I think it's safe to say that not only do I have more of a life than you, but I'm also better at the internet than you. Enjoy your community college.
People like you are why the counts need to be hidden. ;_;
Also: Stop shitting up my thread, and only post if you have something worthwhile to say. KTHX.
indeed mister (*tips hat) that's certainly a wonderful life you have there. oh how i envy, if only i could join the environmental club!!!! GASP!!! and volunteering!!! two hours!!! WOW!!!
and i'll certainly hand you the trophy for being the greatest internet user i have ever seen. i mean, come on, who else knows how to click on the explorer icon and enter urls to explore the internet like you =D. you are certainly wise
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18 years ago
Posts: 185
Quote from Dark_Sage
Post counts are pointless numbers that only serve to degrade the quality of posts in forums.
If that were the case the post count system would had never been implemented in the first place. The post count exists because it is a way of measure a user contributions and participation in the community. Also, it provides a way of determining a member's reliability (if a member has a high post count is very unlikely that he/she could had a misappropriate behavior since otherwise it'd have been banned before he/she could reach a high amount of messages.) Besides, in a lot of forums it is also a method of hierarchically categorize their users with custom titles that give them a special status within the community (so active participation can also be motivated and encouraged at the same time that social integration is at work.)
Quote from Dark_Sage
Unfortunately, some individuals on here feel that instead of contributing anything of substance to the forum, they'd rather boost up their posts
Yeah, that's the backlash of the post count system: spam. Lately, it has been a lot of it around here (and I believe that that was the reason why you propose this.) Now, you know what most forums do, including this one, to combat this awful phenomenon? they simply forbid it. In this forum spam is against the rules. But a lot of people simply don't care and keep doing it anyways. So instead of blaming the post system you should blame the attitude of the spammers. If a hid post count system and anonymity were the answer imageboards would be sanctuaries against trolls.
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You're joking, right?
18 years ago
Posts: 1199
Hey!!! Be nice to Mams! This shouldn't be a witch hunt because he likes to say silly things. He tends to breath some comic relief into some threads when they get too serious ( I wish he would poke his head in here). Be honest, why did you start this thread? The Mods and Admins always step in to stop the spamming and double posting and off topic conversations when they see fit. This sentence was removed for the comfort of all who view it.
Also watch the flaming you guys. It hurts my feelings when you make fun of me for having no life and sitting in front of the computer. And I am also in the environmental club so I get sensitive about that too.
Post counts should bring us together and give us a feeling of shared community, but now it seems the system is tearing us apart.
what have we become? sob 😔
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Member18 years ago
Posts: 1397
oh, lol, sry about that vincea, i'll be more careful next time XD.
i think mams, out of the goodness of his heart, has decided to keep out of this thread to keep it unbiased. i admire him for that =D
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18 years ago
Posts: 267
Quote from Dark_Sage
Post counts are pointless numbers that only serve to degrade the quality of posts in forums.
Unfortunately, some individuals on here feel that instead of contributing anything of substance to the forum, they'd rather boost up their posts to gain some kind of e-respect.
As post count is just a number that causes un-needed drama, I'd suggest hiding it from view. This would cause an increase in the number of quality posts, as people would no longer have reasons to make short quips of no value.
This would also place more value on the message being posted, rather than the person posting it.
You obvously don't know what a forum is. FYI it is a public place for interaction. unless they are off topic, all posts are considered "quality" post. The only difference is you may not appreciate the post as much as other people.
frankly that alone negates your pointless argument. as for post counts being a cause for drama....says who? you are the only one complaining for no reason. in other words you are the cause for drama.
hiding posts is as retarded as the ignoring users idea. frankly there is no reason for it. post count is just a number. and hiding it will not change a persons personality or style of posting. contrary to what you think. in fact all you are doing is making people want to "degrade" the forum and piss you off.
oh yeah. e-respect because of post counts....? wtf kind of bs is that? a high number generally means a person is active in the topics and or been here for a while. it in no way determines intelligence or quality of the post. try to make up a real argument next time before spouting this shit. anyone stupid enough to believe your bs doesn't need to be here.
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Site Admin18 years ago
Posts: 6221
Lol this topic is getting hilarious.
Anyway. post count or not, the spamming won't stop. end of story. the only thing that'll probably end is Word Ass and that's it
18 years ago
Posts: 2596
Just so for all the viewers to know... >>
Someone give a suggestion. We give ideas if they agree or disagree. Thus, it goes far than enough. So erm, negative feedbacks about the idea is fine, but >> going as far as to compare yourself to others are kind of off-topic don't you think ^__^
As i need to be on topic. I think optional changes is the best to end the discussion... That's the suggestion, stop pointing to the other views >_>
18 years ago
Posts: 278
Quote from NeoFireHawk
If that were the case the post count system would had never been implemented in the first place. The post count exists because it is a way of measure a user contributions and participation in the community. Also, it provides a way of determining a member's reliability (if a member has a high post count is very unlikely that he/she could had a misappropriate behavior since otherwise it'd have been banned before he/she could reach a high amount of messages.) Besides, in a lot of forums it is also a method of hierarchically categorize their users with custom titles that give them a special status within the community (so active participation can also be motivated and encouraged at the same time that social integration is at work.)
Going by Hawk logic, the disabling of post count systems would never have been implemented on any forum either if it hadn't been needed.
Post count doesn't measure contribution. This is proven by idiots posting.
As for reliability, you can't honestly expect anybody to swallow that. Case-in-point, there are forums out there who ban users based on, get this, actual problems that have arisen regardless of the post count number of the person who caused the problem.
A lot of forums also have custom titles. Point refuted.
Quote from Dark_Sage
Unfortunately, some individuals on here feel that instead of contributing anything of substance to the forum, they'd rather boost up their posts
Yeah, that's the backlash of the post count system: spam. Lately, it has been a lot of it around here (and I believe that that was the reason why you propose this.) Now, you know what most forums do, including this one, to combat this awful phenomenon? they simply forbid it. In this forum spam is against the rules. But a lot of people simply don't care and keep doing it anyways. So instead of blaming the post system you should blame the attitude of the spammers. If a hid post count system and anonymity were the answer imageboards would be sanctuaries against trolls.[/quote]
Why should I blame the spammers when the mods encourage it?
I'm not talking about trolls here. Stop getting off topic, please. <3
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You're joking, right? [/quote]
No, I'm not. gb2/SA/
OH WAIT!
Member18 years ago
Posts: 1397
yeah...this is about done as it gets. Dark_Sage, heard your opinion, great and all. but it looks like the general public doesn't like it...
mods! i think its time to bring the curtains! the show for tonight is over ^^
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"Oh boy, here we go...again." - Israfel
I'm getting too old....
18 years ago
Posts: 347
Quote from Dark_Sage
Quote from TSD
I doubt hiding the post count would increase the quality of the posts since if someone wants to make a post that is of low quality and sentence structure there is nothing to stop them from doing so.
Hiding post counts takes away their incentive for making such a post.
Quote from uZ
I guess what I'm saying is that statistically speaking i don't think we can just go ahead and say if we take away post counts, people wont still think Mamsmilk is king of forum because he has 3,000 posts(estimate). because although there isn't a number, anyone who uses the forum has probably seen him at some point, probably at many points. and of course its given that if someone is looking to integrate themselves into a social hierarchy, they will likely take advice from someone they see as being integrated into that hierarchy. But I don't think there is any reason to say that the people only "appear" to be integrated into the social hierarchy, instead of actually being integrated into that social hierarchy. If a person is recognized on a forum, for whatever reason be it for spamming, or for having very elaborate responses, I think that they are integrated into that hierarchy, irregardless of post count. post count just makes it obvious to people who don't use the forum often to see these people right off the bat. So i just don't really see the point in this. Just my 2 cents
I really don't think you get the internet, good sir. Since you brought up Mamsmilk, let's use him as an example. His posts are generally written in pseudo-English, and I haven't seen any concrete examples of him bringing anything to the board.
I think it's clear that he's become "King" solely because of his post count number. Were such behavior to arise from a newer member I would doubt you'd be so receptive. Take away his post count and he's no longer any sort of "king." (I'm actually surprised that there's such a popularity contest on this board, considering it's fairly inactive.) Going by post quality, he gets cut out of the picture.
Sure, people can be integrated into a hierarchy, but it's best to think of people who have a large amount of posts that appear to be really good at the internet when they're not to be posers. I believe that's a fairly understood concept. Hopefully you're at the point where you can understand where I'm going with this.
Also, I find some delicious irony in the fact that you mentioned that people's first impressions are formed by post counts, so how is what I'm saying wrong at all?
I think you're missing my point. Off the bat, although this forum is in English i doubt that all of its members speak English as their first language, so i think accusing anyone who isn't a native speaker of speaking pseudo-English is a bit presumptuous of you. As for the Internet (serious business), what i'm saying is post count is not the reason these people are respected/well known. its because they appear everywhere in the forums. If we had no post counts, people would still recognize Mamsmilk (keeping example) as a frequent member of this forum, because he is. If a new member becomes as active, and i see him everywhere on this forum, it wouldn't matter if it displayed his post count or not, he would become a frequent member of the forum. And by King i did not mean an actual title, i just meant people on this forum probably know who he is.
As for the "delicious irony" you speak of, if you want to look at it that why sure, first impressions are made on post count. But the reason why i think what your saying is wrong is because i don't see where its wrong for these new members to see people with thousands of posts, and get to know them as very active members. I don't see the drawbacks anywhere. because so far whenever i see an actual thread that warrants a serious answer it gets answered. Sometimes even by the people you accuse of being mindless spammers. So in short, i think you're wrong because i disagree with the premise you are basing your argument off of.
Edit: sorry took a while to write this, so i didn't see some of the posts (chueisha's) and i didn't mean to feed the fire so to speak.
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18 years ago
Posts: 4030
Okay, let's get this straight, you want the post count system to be abolished to have "higher quality" posts here. Please define "high quality post".
Also, I don't think that hiding the post count would stop the spaming. That's why I said that your first post was non sequitur. No post count = no spam, therefore high quality post... what? Can you account for all the spammers here and know what their thinking when they spam?
If "higher quality posts" are like this:
Quote from Dark_Sage
I have more of a life than you and I can still manage my time to make worthwhile posts here. See, I volunteered my time for peer mentoring today, as well as joined up with the Environmental Club for the second year since its founding. Yesterday I spent two hours volunteering at my school after hours, helping people find their way around the school. I think it's safe to say that not only do I have more of a life than you, but I'm also better at the internet than you. Enjoy your community college.
Then please keep the spams. I don't see why doing community service (which is a good thing), is relevant to the discussion at hand. By definition, that is a spam.
Also, I'm a bit offended by your last sentence, I went to a community college for a while since I couldn't afford the out of state fees that I have to pay in the university I want to go to.
18 years ago
Posts: 278
Haha, this is bullshit. I honestly didn't figure I'd get swamped with the scum of the internet so quickly, but I guess it's inevitable. Ahh, internet. What a cruel mistress you are. ^_^
Quote from Varna
You obvously don't know what a forum is. FYI it is a public place for interaction. unless they are off topic, all posts are considered "quality" post. The only difference is you may not appreciate the post as much as other people.
LOL, kid. There are indeed different degrees of quality, but I'm talking about quality, not QUALITY here. By that, I mean quality in and of that users whose parents didn't drink while they were in the womb would enjoy it.
frankly that alone negates your pointless argument. as for post counts being a cause for drama....says who? you are the only one complaining for no reason. in other words you are the cause for drama.
Is that really how you debate? Lulz. I wasn't complaining. I was suggesting something. You and your e-buddies came in and swarmed me bitching about how you wanted to keep your post counts. I can't believe that number means so much to you.
hiding posts is as retarded as the ignoring users idea. frankly there is no reason for it. post count is just a number. and hiding it will not change a persons personality or style of posting. contrary to what you think. in fact all you are doing is making people want to "degrade" the forum and piss you off.
Actually, it does, and has in the past. Is this your first forum, kid? It sure as hell seems like it. Also, just saying that you're right, without ANY actual evidence or logic doesn't actually make your right. Sorry to burst your bubble. ;_;
oh yeah. e-respect because of post counts....? wtf kind of bs is that? a high number generally means a person is active in the topics and or been here for a while. it in no way determines intelligence or quality of the post. try to make up a real argument next time before spouting this shit. anyone stupid enough to believe your bs doesn't need to be here.
Uhh, what? Anyone stupid enough to read your post and agree with your deserves to be shot.
See? Two can play at the angry poster game, but in the end I'm just playing, and you're still an angry, angry kid.
