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I did not say that every adult guy/girl in the world consciously lust after children. Sure you did: "...I know most men have fantasized about teens even subconsciously. By nature, a little bit after a child reaches sexual maturity the opposite sex sees them as being more fertile than someone older. It's a natural reproductive instinct." In other words, it is natural and normal for men to crave children.

What I meant was that as soon as someone becomes sexually mature/teen (hits puberty in other words) they will naturally becoming attractive to the opposite sex. I never said that in regards to prepubescent children. In that case pedophilia (or attraction to prepubescent children not those under 18) it's a sexual disorder which means that in the mind of the pedophile there's something wrong with their sexual preference and has developed due to a multitude of reasons. In many modern countries attraction to teens (not children!) under the age of consent is a taboo so many people suppress it. Of course this is a generalization. But It's because we are rational animals that we suppress our animal instincts. Yet we see it in a multitude of forms from pornography (teen genre) and teen idols, etc.

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I also did mention that we are rational beings, in comparison to animals that base their decisions on only hormones and instinct. Reason has little to do with lust, I doubt one chooses to crave children.

Your right about doubting one choosing to crave children because pedophilia falls under the category of a psychological disorder.

Again I say that this topic should be closed... It's sad that I've doubled my post count on this topic 🤣

Edit: DeLtA_IjK pretty much summed up everyone's argument.

Technically, since this IS a free country, art is not to be restricted. However, these arts are rated so they are hidden from younger audience. Statistics shown, pornography of any kind, reduces a country's crime rates. I guess they justifies this logic be stating that, criminals act out their fantasy with pornography rather than real life if they have pronography.

Regarding this Shota and Loli genre. First of all, this topic should be in the +18 section. Second of all, it is illegal, well in my opinion anyway. Calling it art does not justify it fully. Third of all, if people on the net wants to express their opinion, we can not stop them. So stop criticizing everyone like I do. Oh yeah, I'm talking about you! You know who you are!

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This topic grew really fast and I didn't read all of it... It's not the first one about lolicon and similar genres. You might wanna look here.

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Regarding this Shota and Loli genre. First of all, this topic should be in the +18 section. Second of all, it is illegal, well in my opinion anyway. Calling it art does not justify it fully. Third of all, if people on the net wants to express their opinion, we can not stop them. So stop criticizing everyone like I do. Oh yeah, I'm talking about you! You know who you are!

You got that right that is some serious hypocrasy on your part. But well the thing that pissed me off the most about the guy that staarted this whole idiotic thing is that he generalized and put all men in the same poat as him. Yet I am the bad guy cause I got a little angry. And if he does fantasize about young girls, i restate that he should go get his head checked. I don't think I was that harsh considering the kind of people that lurk the internet. If you're just peaceful and tolerant of everything all the time you will eventually lose all that is dear too you (that's why society is so messed up the people don't speak out against anything anymore). Hmm... It seems that I will have to be the bad guy in this thread anyways.

@Charlox As for whether or not I said everyone who didn't agree with me was sick. When did I ever say that? Seriously put down whatever you are smoking and go sleep it off before you make stuff up here.

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@Charlox As for whether or not I said everyone who didn't agree with me was sick. When did I ever say that? Seriously put down whatever you are smoking and go sleep it off before you make stuff up here.

Remember this..."You are pretty messed up too aren't you."

I'm gonna stop here cuz this is getting outta hand. Most people here (including myself) are not mature enough to handle this topic. Someone please close this trainwreck of a topic.

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Regarding this Shota and Loli genre. First of all, this topic should be in the +18 section.

Sorry, I didn't think it would need to be put in 18+ since I wasn't sure if all lolicon/shotacon was graphic, but I guess so...

And I didn't think a simple poll question would cause such a controversy 🤣

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Your right about doubting one choosing to crave children because pedophilia falls under the category of a psychological disorder.

I think I'll drag this in another direction. In labeling child lusting as a psychological disorder, we are rather obligated to fix it.

So how do we do it?

(I find myself woefully uninformed about this subject, so correct me if I'm wrong.) Are jail time, psychologists, and people saying "No! That's bad!" really going to stop people from lusting after children? I think not because no is probably not a choice. Maybe extreme shota and lolita comics should be encouraged for those individuals who's lust for children is too strong? Its better than internet predators and perverted priests.

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@Charlox As for whether or not I said everyone who didn't agree with me was sick. When did I ever say that? Seriously put down whatever you are smoking and go sleep it off before you make stuff up here.

Remember this..."You are pretty messed up too aren't you."

I'm gonna stop here cuz this is getting outta hand. Most people here (including myself) are not mature enough to handle this topic. Someone please close this trainwreck of a topic.

Why is it a train wreck and why do you keep asking for it to be closed? And me calling you messed up means I am talking to everyone else who doesn't agree with me? No. That comment was specifically for you. Enjoy.

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(I find myself woefully uninformed about this subject, so correct me if I'm wrong.) Are jail time, psychologists, and people saying "No! That's bad!" really going to stop people from lusting after children? I think not. Maybe shota and lolita comics should be encouraged for those individuals who's lust for children is too strong? Its better than internet predators and perverted priests.

You bring up a good point, but I read somewhere that those who read/watch any porn of any sort begin to want more, to want to act on their fantasies.

So when it comes to pedophiles, children draw the extremely short straw. But I guess stuff like lolicon and shotacon might be able to hold them off a bit...

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Sorry, I didn't think it would need to be put in 18+ since I wasn't sure if all lolicon/shotacon was graphic, but I guess so...

Well, that's going to depend on who you ask. I read a manga which has a 12-13 year old boy who's quite aggressive in his pursuit of a girl who's several years older, and it's been tagged as "shotacon" even though there's nothing explicit/graphic.

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The number of reported incidents of crime against children in Japan, as well as violent crime in general, is well below that of most other developed countries, and indeed there appears to be a strong correlation between the dramatic rise of pornographic material in Japan from the 1970s onwards, and a dramatic decrease in reported sexual violence, especially crimes involving juveniles and non-impulsive rape cases. This supports the theory that widespread availability of sexually explicit material can in fact reduce the rate of sexual crimes(wikipedia lolicon) . I would not trust this information since it is open source, but still.

I have seen some, ranging from ecchi to hardcore, it was different but I did not dislike it. I have not once thought about real life children in that sense because of it or beforehand . Although I would not actively seek out Lolicon hentai, there are some good ways to draw it out. A good example would be Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita, it is a good book, check it out some time. Just like the rest of that area of material that most people would rather not see, there should be ways to regulate and stop the wrong people from seeing it. My response to the question would be that I rather not see it but have nothing against those that do. I'm not gonna flame people who do like it, i'm also not gonna wear a 'I heart lolita' shirt'. Real life does not relate to imagination. If whoever liked steven king wanted to act out some of the things in those books, the world would be a very disturbing place. Too much controversy...

This topic has been killed before, shut it down...

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Sorry, I didn't think it would need to be put in 18+ since I wasn't sure if all lolicon/shotacon was graphic, but I guess so...

Well, that's going to depend on who you ask. I read a manga which has a 12-13 year old boy who's quite aggressive in his pursuit of a girl who's several years older, and it's been tagged as "shotacon" even though there's nothing explicit/graphic.

I suggest you change it then because that doesn't sound like shotacon at all! 🤣

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Sorry, I didn't think it would need to be put in 18+ since I wasn't sure if [i]all[/i] lolicon/shotacon was graphic, but I guess so...

Well, that's going to depend on who you ask. I read a manga which has a 12-13 year old boy who's quite aggressive in his pursuit of a girl who's several years older, and it's been tagged as "shotacon" even though there's nothing explicit/graphic.

I suggest you change it then because that doesn't sound like shotacon at all! 🤣

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Edit: Oh, wait, you mean that that manga wouldn't be shotacon, it'd be lolicon... I see.

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well this thread certainly grew a little heated since i last saw it

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[quote=otakubaybay]Sorry, I didn't think it would need to be put in 18+ since I wasn't sure if [i]all[/i] lolicon/shotacon was graphic, but I guess so...

Well, that's going to depend on who you ask. I read a manga which has a 12-13 year old boy who's quite aggressive in his pursuit of a girl who's several years older, and it's been tagged as "shotacon" even though there's nothing explicit/graphic.

I suggest you change it then because that doesn't sound like shotacon at all! 🤣

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Edit: Oh, wait, you mean that that manga wouldn't be shotacon, it'd be lolicon... I see.[/quote]
😀 No, I mean that you should just remove it from being shotacon, not changing it to lolicon!

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