That was the point of Naruto's lack of self control if Jiraya told him the secret behind the Shadow clones then only let him use 2-3 Naruto would sneak out to train by himself with more and lose control. Knowing this Jiarya kept the information from Naruto until he had more support and was a bit older and better at controling his chakara.

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I actually think the only reason Jiraiya hasn't trained Narutos bunshin is because Yamato wasn't there to hold him back if the kyuubi came out.besides Kakashi only used it because they didn't have time for some longer training.

@Dr. Love
look closer,there are so many smal hints that these pairings have to be true.Asuma and Kurenai are of course more.It's true that it looks like Sakura somehow has a crush on Naruto now but Naruto gave her up after he saw how sad she was after sasuke left.And theres still Hinata(which is one of this one-sided hints in the series).
And Sasuke was jelaous of Naruto because the rasengan has an other way of releasing the power in it than chidori,which he didn't knew.So Sasuke basically guessed rasengan is more powerfull but in the end it was chidori and Sasuke who won.And now Sasuke can even summon snakes so there goes Narutos place in that...well there we go again with the "who made better progress" discussion.Basically I don't think Sasukes progress lookes better but it IS better,he just learned a lot more than Naruto and that is because he has a reason to grow stronger and wants to train.Naruto only wants to train when it's really nessesary(at least in the original series).
Anyway my opinion is this:If (IF!) I ever see Naruto geting better than Sasuke I'll admit it but not sooner(and not when Naruto is the one who wins because he makes something like "i'm the main character,I have to win!" thing)

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Please tell me where these hints are in the second part of Naruto.. Only time they met was when they were at Orochimaru's base.. And even then, Sakura didn't say much besides "Sasuke-kun"..

When did Naruto gave up? You can't suddenly give up your feelings.. He may gave up on trying to 'conquer' Sakura.. but his feelings for her are still there.. The only thing that can trigger those feelings again is when Sakura's feelings for Naruto begin to grow..

You say it like Hinata is the consolation price.. Naruto never had any feelings for Hinata, or at least didn't express them.. like ever in the series..

(Besides in one filler when Hinata was dancing on the water in the dark.. And he could only see the silhouette and he found that girl very pretty.., without knowing that it was in fact Hinata.. ) Anyway, that's filler.. Doesn't mean anything..

Some hints that may suggest Sakura and Naruto relationship in part II:

Ch. 245 p.13 and Ch. 245 p.15 Doesn't really mean anything.. But nonetheless it's a slight hint that admiration for a longtime friend can turn in to feelings of affection..

Ch. 246 p.9 and Ch.246 p.10.. Proof that Sakura admires Naruto's progress.. PLUS that Naruto effectively had progress.. As you can see he uses more tactic.. and could even point a kunai at Kakashi's back, who is considered a genius..

Ch. 252 p.6.. There isn't really anything particular to notice.. But you can see that Sakura sympathizes with Naruto's past.. and his suffering from then..

Ch. 253 p.18.. After showing her medical skills, Naruto admires her progress over the 2,5 years..

Ch. 261 p.10 and Ch. 261 p.11 Definitely shows that Sakura has already strong feelings for Naruto..

Ch. 297 p.11 and Ch. 297 p.12.. This shows that Sakura has more than 'normal' feelings for Naruto.. Probably romantic.. Plus Yamato wanted to say that in reality Sakura likes/loves Naruto.. So this was a huge hint..

Ch. 298 p.18.. Sakura doesn't want to leave Naruto behind..

Ch. 299 p.10.. Naruto deciding that he won't use the kyuubi chakra anymore, because he has hurt Sakura..

Ch. 343 p.7.. Sakura offering Naruto to feed him.. Proof that Naruto still has feelings for her..

It hasn't an other way of releasing.. Rasengan was then, stronger.. In the end? If you mean the final battle between Sasuke and Naruto.. Sasuke won.. That's it.. That doesn't mean that Chidori is stronger in any way..

Naruto could summon Gamabunta before the timeskip.. Now what does that say about Sasuke? 🤨

Yes, I thought so too.. That Sasuke WAS better, but it isn't.. Sasuke has just been put in a much more flashy way.. (Come on, you gotta agree with that.. 😀 ).. Naruto is now, at the current chapter, at least as strong as Sasuke.. Kakashi even said so himself that Naruto had surpassed him.. He could perfect a technique that even the 4th couldn't do.. Naruto has a massive chakra supply.. Etc. ..

Reason? Naruto's reason is to bring his friend back.. And that's a lot more better reason than killing your evil older brother.. (Which I'm not even sure of if he's that evil..)

When really necessary? Please, explain that bit.. 😕 Naruto's aim is to become a Hokage.. So, he doesn't have time to be lazy.. Every time he would get free time, he would train.. I'm sure of it..

What I do agree with is that Sasuke is at least as strong as Naruto and that Sasuke has at least as much chance as Naruto to end up with Sakura..

What you said is a possibility too, of course.. 😃

And I agree about that Jiraiya hasn't trained Naruto, because it could be too risky without Yamato..

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Why would Hinata die? I don't see a reason for that to happen.. She isn't even important.. and has nothing to do with the story..

Her role in part II is supersmall, till now..

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well if you are talking only about the second part then there aren't of course as many hints.There were some in the Sasuke Arc.Sakura really had problems to attack him and he looked really puzzled as she did that.Besides mit Chidori Nagashi he didn't attack her but she stand almost besides him.So he didn't want to hurt her.He hurt Naruto without problems which means he cares for Sakura more than for Naruto.
Now in the new search for Sasuke there are some things that show us she still really cares for him.

Of course there aren't as many in shippuuden but thats because Sasuke just isn't there.I agree there are now some NaruSaku hints but I still believe she just cares more for him and doesn't want to loose him too.Maybe,just maybe she'll end up with him if Sasuke doesn't come back(or so)and they'll remember the good times before Orochimaru dropped by but I just can't imagine Kishimoto making such huge hints on SasuSaku and now just drops them.

I never said Naruto had feelings for Hinata.I said she has feelings for him - a one sided love,thats what I wrote!

don't forget Naruto could only summon bunta with the kyuubis chakra.and should I really write everything Sasuke learned or gained before the timeskip? 😎

Naruto is great in learning techniques if he wants.Sasuke is an Uchiha.I believe even Uchiha haters have to agree they are the most powerfull shinobis.I still don't think Sasuke was made somehow flashy,he showed what he got and that even now,not only when he first appeared.And Sasuke surpassed Kakashi before the timeskip so if Naruto made that now there no reasoning in that 😀

Naruto wants to train when he really needs it.Like when he wanted to learn the ransengan because he couldn't learn chidori but wanted to beat sasuke.he wants to train really badly when he gets beaten and wants to be more powerfull.I'm not saying he doesn't want Sasuke back but he still does it because he promissed Sakura.It's something he wants to do but not so much as Sasuke is willing to kill Itachi(which actually is making him look mad sometimes)

now if we really think Kishimoto would throw all his former hints away there really is a 50-50 chance for both SasuSaku and NaruSaku,I still hope he stays with his hints and makes it SasuSaku(the biggest reasoning is still the fact that they look exactly like the japanese ideal of a perfect pairing)

and just one more thing:There is NO chance of Sakura ending up with Sai like some people say >:-(

@dirkbogarde
why would she die? O.o

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Are you a Sasuke fan, Yami? 😀

P.S.: There are some mistakes in your theory.. Puh! 😛

@Dirkbogarde: Asuma at least had a status.. He was jounin and leader of a team.. Plus he was the son of sandaime, who already died before..

I still don't see why Sasuke would die.. o.O

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@Dr. Love
not exatcly Sasuke,I'm an Uchiha fan.I also like Naruto but Sasuke's just stronger.Guess Naruto is just the nice sweet guy.

there is?I don't think so but...where?

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well if you are talking only about the second part then there aren't of course as many hints.There were some in the Sasuke Arc.Sakura really had problems to attack him and he looked really puzzled as she did that.Besides mit Chidori Nagashi he didn't attack her but she stand almost besides him.So he didn't want to hurt her.He hurt Naruto without problems which means he cares for Sakura more than for Naruto.
Now in the new search for Sasuke there are some things that show us she still really cares for him.

Ch 308 p.6.. Obviously she didn't had any problems attacking him.. Ch 308 p.7.. And apparantly Sasuke neither..

Chidori didn't attack her, because she wasn't in direct contact with Sasuke, while Sai and Naruto were.. If I apply your theory, does that mean that he has feelings for Yamato too? 😛 Since he wasn't attacked either..

Please give me an example in the new search for Sasuke where it is shown that Sakura still has feelings for him.. 😃

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Maybe,just maybe she'll end up with him if Sasuke doesn't come back(or so)and they'll remember the good times before Orochimaru dropped by but I just can't imagine Kishimoto making such huge hints on SasuSaku and now just drops them.

Huge hints? She was only a teenage girl who had a silly crush on the 'pretty boy' of the school.. I don't consider that as a huge hint.. People have crushes all the time, but that doesn't mean that it's actually going to work..

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It's true that it looks like Sakura somehow has a crush on Naruto now but Naruto gave her up after he saw how sad she was after sasuke left.And theres still Hinata.

How you phrased it made it seem like Naruto didn't have to be sad, because there's still Hinata for him.. That's how it sounded to me.. Sorry if I misunderstood you..

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don't forget Naruto could only summon bunta with the kyuubis chakra.and should I really write everything Sasuke learned or gained before the timeskip? 😎

Be my guest.. 😀

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Naruto is great in learning techniques if he wants.Sasuke is an Uchiha.I believe even Uchiha haters have to agree they are the most powerfull shinobis.I still don't think Sasuke was made somehow flashy,he showed what he got and that even now,not only when he first appeared.And Sasuke surpassed Kakashi before the timeskip so if Naruto made that now there no reasoning in that 😀

Uchiha's aren't the most powerful.. Some Uchiha's couldn't even get their Sharingan... But I do agree that Sharingan has the potential to make you one of the strongest Shinobis..

And Sasuke was flashy.. Admit it..! 😀 😛

Sasuke was not stronger than Kakashi before the timeskip.. If so, please tell where that has been said or indicated.. ?

Could you also explain what the 'Japanese Ideal' is..?

P.S.: I agree.. Why would Sakura end up with Sai..? o.O

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Yes, but Asuma was more an important character to the story.. He could progress Naruto's training.. Plus there's his relationship with Kurenai.. and his father-like relationship to Shikamaru..

Don't want to degrade Hinata.. But she's a lot less important, story-wise..

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Why would he go wild about Hinata? Naruto doesn't even hang around her that much.. Naruto just views Hinata as an aquintance, nothing more and nothing less..

Though if Hinata were to die, Naruto would be angry about it.. But though he would get angry by a dead puppy too..

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nah,if you look on his face in the down right corner he lookes puzzled shes attacking him.and he did attack her after that but not with chidori.I believe he also hit Yamato,either way I wouldn't remember this as an hint...
now I'm not going to read these chapters for that,sorry.but I believe there was something like that.I'll look it up this weekend or so but not now,is that acceptable? 🤣

I agree,it was just a crush.At first.but it grew stronger after she got to know him better.Besides there were also hints from sasukes side,not only from sakura.he did trust her and tell her many things about his clan before everyone else knew.also he ALWAYS defend her and I doubt it was only because he was a girl or something like that...in chapter 61 he is holding her hand when defending her although he wasn't that near her before the attackers showed themselft.also when he got the cursed seal he tangled his fingers with hers(it the manga)which you don't normaly do with just a friend,at least not someone like sasuke.there are just too many of these small things

sorry if I wrote it like that.I didn't mean Naruto to just forget Sakura and go after Hinata,that wasn't my purpose

well to say the least he lived through the cursed seal,gained a lot power from it.he copied some techniques from lee using his sharingan.it's true that there was some competition between sasuke and naruto in the first series and thats missing now

the clan was big and I agree there were some not so good shinobis but you could say they are elite

Sasuke wasn't flashy,Lee is flashy 😁

I think one of Kakashis reasons to teach sasuke chidori was this,maybe I missunderstood there something?

the japanese ideal is: a flatchested girl(sorry but I have to say it this way) and a strong(like some shoulders and such,you know how tanuki looks like?then something a bit like that) boy with a bit of a belly and thats exactly Sakura and Sasuke.Naruto's too muscular for that.

well I have no idea how someone came up with this pairing,it's weird and she hates Sai...it's propably another of those stupid pairings(the most ridicilous I saw was ZabuzaXHinata!)

@dirkbogarde
naruto would go wild if anyone dies
think storywise,nobody will die because you hate him even if you wish for it 😉

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@dirkbogarde
so you think Hinatas whole character was only there to die in some specific moment so naruto could go crazy about that?or how should I understand it...?

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That's not true.. Neji was going to scold him for dropout anyway..

@YamiKisara: You made some good points.. 😃 But also some bad.. 😛

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thats interesting,I never thought of any chara that way,not only in naruto...

@Dr. Love
please don't say that 🤢

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why?because I'm once not agains your opinion? 🤣

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