True, but it still pisses me off. Not much we can do though because she has the law on her side. 😢

i pitied SV Loyalty, i mean they moved to a second place, just when everything was comfy, the storm came and threw the place up and down.

If that reader wanna really read scanlation, that reader should shut up and read it, if not go whine to her folks to fork up cash for her to buy this.

Readers like this will soon turned scanlator groups downhil and maybe one day everyone will stop scanlating and leave. That would be a shame and something remorseful for everyone...

Not anyone are loaded to buy tokyopop books

One book cost nearly 30-50 for me in my country in Asia. Why? Because there is the shipping tax and w/e that are concluded till that amount.

That member is really someone who has ntg else to do that ratting ppl out...

anyways i think libra was trying to help prevent certain forums who host manga to double check their member if there are person who shares the same IP with the one she gave out...

again, perspective is the key. You have to consider both point of view.

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Were the manga in question scanlated by any other groups? I'd imagine so, but if not and the liscensed volumes are the only ones translated i might feel some sympathy. I don't know the whole story, but if other scanlators had scanlated it while this person had just scanned it... mmm...

i love the quality of TP's manga

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differences in oppinion aside, giving her the benefit of the doubt that she didnt download the manga herself but bought it, then found what she had payed for available online for free, I can see why she reported it, 'ratting out' isn't the best phrase. I wouldn't have done it myself but i can see why someone might.

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LOL! you guys know what ppl always said, law are meant to be broken. what you've done is your responsibility. still, betraying your NAKAMA is still unforgivable. if your read it, your in it. damn i wish she'll pay for what she have done. hope she'll die being hit by a truck.

I think she's just looking for some attention. Some sorry person who's wants to gain approval by ratting out on someone else.

Why would she specifically get mad upon seeing TP's manga being distributed online? That's what I'm wondering about. Isn't that just the same as seeing copyrighted mp3's, movies, and tv episodes being available for free download (in mIRC and everywhere else)? I bet she's not ratting out on them.

I know it's illegal to scan licensed manga. I know it's "wrong", but you know what, that's just so easy to say for someone who lives in, say...the US, where licensed manga can be found everywhere (but i've never actually been to the us so correct me if i'm wrong).
For people from other countries, where manga is scarce, scans are probably the only thing we live on. That's the main reason I translate manga anyway---for people in countries where manga is hard to get. They deserve good manga too.

Tokyopop doesn't need someone "ratting out" anyway. Being a company that translates manga, I'm sure they're aware of manga being illegaly scanned.

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not really though. most rich and influential people get off and everything is hushed up. well yeah, once in a while there are reports about famous people getting time but thay are far and few between them when there are actually a lot more that deserves to get punished but still goes scott free.

......that does not relate to the topic we are discussing......The "Company" doesn't care whether it's a licensed manga hosting site with nice people or not. All they care about is profit and law.

For justice though, that means for cases where a person kills another person, shouldn't the jury already know their verdict before the case is even begun? That means no insanity pleas should be factored in at all.

But, I think AD Vision has been taking the approach that you mentioned. I guess it's the "no tolerance" rule? The girl at this profile http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Kasandora3 use to mentioned that her videos had been requested to be removed or they would be pulled (she use to have the info on her page) because AD Vision contacted YouTube.

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Ah, so that's why SVLoyalty was a bit strict.. and that's why cat chan was so mad at esthetique xD

Well, as you said. Scanlators do work hard, and it's because they were once a leecher, and half of them are selfish and greedy so they want to work on more projects to let them read more BUT that help us :] Now to mention the other half who are just tire of leeching and want to help us leechers to read more mangas just like them. SPREAD THE LOVE OF MANGA! xD

So, rat on them or whatever it means xD meaning:

#1. You don't appreciate what they do.
#2. You're just a nosy person.. man why do you even care and read it if you think it's wrong?..

And also.... if we ignore it xD

Everyone is happy xD and plus, scanlators were only trying to make us love the mangas more... they even persuade us to buy the licensed copy [Cat-chan did told us to buy the copies.. and thanks to her i did bought snow drop and model]. So, they didn't mean harm and we do support the mangakas... They also didn't meant to break any laws.

Oh and er.. i read the report thing... she said she was pissed because they scanned the tokyopop mangas and all?... erm.. it's not even HER problem so why does she have to care about it? yes it seems like she is tattle telling.. a very stupid snitching though xD

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Mmm. I don't agree with her ratting out the scanlation group.

Scanlating is illegal, but can we compare scanlations to libraries? Most of the books I read are from libraries. Now, if the library doesn't have the book I want in stock, then I can request for them to buy it. Now, I know that a library is a government agency that's giving the publishing companies good money to do this, but think about this: who would ever buy books about.. oh, I don't know, facts about the sun or the solar system? Parents wouldn't spend that kind of money for their kids... because once the book is read -- hey, you don't really need it anymore. :x

That's why libraries are so effective. We read what we want, yet we still buy the books that we really wish to keep.

Now, with scanlation groups, people are using their own knowledge to translate manga... they're using their own time and effort to clean the raws provided... and they're providing it for free so that others may enjoy reading something like that.

That, IMO, is perfectly fine. Even if it is illegal, there is sense in doing something like that. Your intentions are pure.

But, scanning actual english translations out there... that's a bit more iffy. I understand why the people who are getting paid don't like it -- it's their work!

But then again, I can't see why they would get too angry. If it gets expensive to buy, people just plain won't buy the manga. They'd rather spend their money on something else. Scanlation should theoretically increase sales because it generates more interest in actual manga.

...but then, once manga sales reach a high, then publishing companies will put actual effort into catching scanlation groups. =_=;;

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Hi,
I just read a bit what all of you think concerning this matter, but nobody says that this illegal scanning can bring benefits. For example, Im a big Claymore fan. The first time I saw the anime I started to search for the manga and I downloaded all I could find. I read it and because I liked it, I ordered all availlible volumes of this manga. And when the anime DVD comes out, I will order that too, bacause I like it and I want to support the author/publishers, so maybe they will come out someday with a similar manga. The time between the anime releases is too long (a few weeks) and if I wouldnt find any illegal scanned mangas, I would probably forget all about it and newer made the order. It is as reading a long awaited book that has yet not been released to market. Bacause one has the need to know, one reads it. And because one appreciates deep thoughts, the philosophy behind it, not to mention the work, one buys it. Not everyone appreciates this kind of stuff and not everybody has the money to "spend" it for "just some comics". Since I too dont have much money, I try to make the best of it - I dont get everyday to lunch but eate instead some fruits from home; if it is possible, I try to get a study book from a library instead of buying it etc. So I manage to save every week some money to buy this soul food. Im not saying that Im fanatic about reading mangas, but that it is a very welcomed contrast of spending the everydays time. Especially if one has though time doing something (like studying physics), this kind of stuff really is soul food. And for food Im willing to pay. Note that this doesn`ŧ imply that I would be willing to pay for every xyz manga.

So, after reading all the illegaly scanned mangas the wish to learn basic japanese arose (and I learned some new english words too). After reading all the illegally scanned mangas some buiseness has been done. Read the last statement and think about it. If I would not download illigaly scanned mangas I would probably never learn japanese (I don`t need it for studying, not for buisseness etc.), I would probably never learn about japanese culture and, not to forget, I would not make the order I made. So in this sense I AND the author/publishers are in debt to those who scan mangas. They promote japanese culture AND buisseness. They are doing free promotion. It is expensive for any buisseness to reach end users but free for end users to reach the buisseness (via sites like this one). From the publishers point of view it would be prudent to back up Scanlators because of the reasons mentioned above.

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heh, also, if you think about it, scanlators are kinda helping out the bookstores too. if there wasn't any scanlating, a whole bunch of people would be going to the bookstores to read the mangas and messing them all up (i see this a lot) and in the end, no one would buy them cuz the previous readers bent the corners and stained the pages with unknown substances..

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heh, also, if you think about it, scanlators are kinda helping out the bookstores too. if there wasn't any scanlating, a whole bunch of people would be going to the bookstores to read the mangas and messing them all up (i see this a lot) and in the end, no one would buy them cuz the previous readers bent the corners and stained the pages with unknown substances..

Yes, that is so true. I did that all the time before I knew about scanlators.

I'm sure that publishing companies are very aware of scanlators. And I'm sure that they have offered scanlation groups that they'd buy and sell their scanlations in exchange for allowing the group to continue as they please.

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I know it's illegal to scan licensed manga. I know it's "wrong", but you know what, that's just so easy to say for someone who lives in, say...the US, where licensed manga can be found everywhere (but i've never actually been to the us so correct me if i'm wrong).

I live in the Us.... Florida in fact. And although it isnt SCARCE, it is hard to goto a store and find manga. In fact, The only place (now, cause the specialty stores were run out of buisness) Is some place like books-a-million, and although they DO have books, think about this. Hundreds of people coming in and reading that copy and then you buying it. Gross, huh? I hate when people do that >_>

Anyways, In the Us, although it isnt SCARCE to find manga, it is still HARD. And most of the time, a store that has manga only has the SUPER ULTRA MONEY MAKING releases that will surely make them a buck. In fact, because of that, a good portion of my manga ive had to order online and pay 3-7$ more for because its almost impossible to find it anywhere else (and they werent rare either >_>)

GAWD i get off topic fast >> My point is that the US may have a lot of english manga, but that doesnt mean it isnt hard to find manga, cause once you find one you like, it turns out its either supe expensive, or the next book wont come out for a year (Ive had this before >> DAMN YOU VIZ!!!) Or they licensed the book and never released past volume one.... Ya, you get the point. Its just as hard in the Us as it is in other places (I also tried looking for manga in Michigan)

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heh, also, if you think about it, scanlators are kinda helping out the bookstores too. if there wasn't any scanlating, a whole bunch of people would be going to the bookstores to read the mangas and messing them all up (i see this a lot) and in the end, no one would buy them cuz the previous readers bent the corners and stained the pages with unknown substances..

you know, that's why the stores have sealed copies of the mangas if they want to do that. There's a few copies that are open and for reading, and then the sealed copies for those that want to buy. Heck, you can even ask them for new copies since they don't always put everything they have on the shelf.

scanning works from tokyopop or viz or other english publishers is just wrong and lazy, doing your own translation is fine however, at least you're putting in the effort and not blatantly ripping them off.

scanlators are a great way to get the community to notice series, and more than likely that's how some of the publishers find out which series to bring over (other than how popular it was in its native country). But it really has to be translated from the original language to the reader's language by the group for it to be scanlated, otherwise it's just scanned.

I never liked people who just scanned in the works from english publishers, they don't deserve much praise at all. People who take the time to translate the text and then edit it back in to the work without losing the original quality, those are the ones that deserve praise.

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