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y'know what..i just thought of something.. maybe i will go back in time, and then kill him at April 30th 1945 and stage it as a suicide.... then made that best history book ever 😀

Everyone wins this way!!!

But seriously, I wouldn't because I don't like the idea of killing someone (even if it's Hitler) and I'd mess up the timeline and the consequences might be worse than what I'd stopped. If I had a time machine, Nazi Germany would be the last place I would want to go anyway.

i didn't messed up the timeline... like i said, i will stage it as a suicide.. from that point till the end of time, the rest of the world will only know that hitler kill himself (besides me) as the history tell us now.

Hitler is said to have had syphilis so maybe you could go back in time and stop him from getting syphilis? LOL

Um, I dunno if I could do anything. If it hadn't happened it was bound to happen in the future. We learn from our mistakes. That isn't saying that those people should have died, Hitler was just ridiculous, but we have learned from it. Since then the idea of racism has become known. The idea that we aren't supposed to separate just based on the colour of our skin or our heritage. So maybe it led to good.

I would also like to point out though that Stalin killed more people then Hitler. So should we go back and kill Stalin too? Hitler got more coverage cause he was like "Kill the jews" (Imagine that in German) but Stalin was all like "KILL EVERYONE!" (imagine that in Russian)

Everything is a learning experience. If not history repeats itself. 🙄

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I would also like to point out though that Stalin killed more people then Hitler.

Hitler started the war though.

I just remembered something.

Even though Hitler 'started' the war, he wasn't the only one trying to get this communist party. And his ideologies weren't just his. If anyone else with charismatic abilities came along the same might have happened.

We need to remember that Germany was getting FUCKED because of the Treaty of Versailles at this point. Everyone was looking for someone to blame and the Jews have been the perpetual scapegoat. All Germans were pissed. Things needed to change.

Also, at this point in history there was the great depression going on. The war got everyone out of the recession. ESPECIALLY the Germans, who were burning money for heat and walking around with wheelbarrows of money to get 1 loaf of bread.

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Even though Hitler 'started' the war, he wasn't the only one trying to get this communist party.

What?

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Even though Hitler 'started' the war, he wasn't the only one trying to get this communist party.

What?

Hmm probably wrong terminology. Sorry.
What I meant was he wasn't the only one trying to "fix" Germany.
Communism was very popular everywhere at this point. So if Hitler hadn't lead this new party in Germany, another party like it would have come to power. He didn't make up the party he just kind of... got really enthusiastic and decided to be their leader.

The goal of Communism is that everyone is the same and that can only be true if everyone comes under this one communistic "governement" or "agreement". Basically world domination. If Hitler hadn't started a war it was going to be China, Italy, or Russia next.

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there are thing you just don't mess with. Time is one of them.

This. Whenever anyone ever messes with time, things always end up worse then they were in the first place. Either that, or they never get born.

Does the walker choose the path, or the path the walker?

An argument in FAVOR of messing up the time-line (just to play the Devil's advocate):

So what if the time-line is messed up? If you believe in quantum physics, then the time-lines would branch, anyway--in fact, an infinite number of time-lines already exist, fractured at several places due to quantum indeterminacy. What difference would one more time-line make? It might even already exist, and you'd just be creating a duplicate or near-duplicate...

Basically, if you kill/influence or in some other way stop Hitler, you'll be SAVING all those lives IN THE PRESENT, that is to say, in the present that you're in at that time (1920s/1930s Germany). It's no different to saving many lives today, if you have the choice. The fact is that you shouldn't let people die when you can do something about it; that's a basic human moral code.

The lives you end up saving after stopping Hitler would not destroy the time-line you originally came from; instead, it would simply create another time-line in which all those people didn't have to die.

Isn't that a good thing?

The fact is, no time-line can ever be "destroyed," just as energy cannot be created or destroyed. Time-lines can only "branch". So what if you create another branch of reality in which the Holocaust never happened? At least somewhere in the multiverse, something good happened, and people didn't have to die in the millions when it could have been prevented. They'll still end up dying in your original time-line, but at least you've created a whole new time-line in which that won't happen--and that time-line will in itself split into infinite time-lines in the future, because that's what time-lines do, in quantum physics. They split.

Given the quantum nature of time (if you believe in it, that is), you don't have to worry about "changing the future," because you can't actually change the future that you came from. All you have to worry about is doing the right thing in the present, that is to say, in the present that you inhabit at the moment, where Hitler is a child and you could conceivably save millions of lives by taking a little action. At that moment, you are no different from anyone else opposed to Nazism and genocide during Hitler's life; you're no different to a member of the Resistance that will soon arise, and you're certainly no different to any other person who could become a hero by taking action. Your ethical decision in the moment is all that matters--whether you have the guts to do the right thing or not.

You should take action, and you should stop Hitler. It won't erase or overwrite the history you have known; it will merely create another new history among a multitude of other quantum histories that already exist.

All you have to be concerned about is doing the right thing. If you were still in your present life on 21st-century Earth, and you knew you could stop someone--say, a crazy terrorist--from bringing down an airliner on which you were also flying, wouldn't you do it? Because that would save lives (including your own, incidentally), and by being present on the airliner, you would have a chance to take action in a way that other people not on that flight wouldn't be able to do. To stop the terrorist would be the right decision. And it wouldn't damage the time-line any more than stopping Hitler would have done. When you stop the terrorist, that will split your current time-line and will create another one in which s/he was stopped. However, you can rest assured that there are also other time-lines where you didn't manage to stop him, for some reason, or where you may never even have boarded the flight, or where you might never even have been born to board the flight.

Messing with the so-called "past" is a ridiculous, old-fashioned idea that belongs to Newtonian physics. Wake up and smell the time-space continuum, babies.

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तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय
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If I could travel back in time I would have better things to do than stop baby hitler.

No, I wouldn't. It'd be a humongous mistake I'd rather not make.
I could write a novel full of reasons why I wouldn't do that, so I decided not to bore you all with a tl;dr post.
P.S.

If you believe in quantum physics

I didn't read further than that.

the tigers have found me
and I do not care.

Question: If u could go back in time, how do u get back to the present? (Or the new future)
Annnnd, if the time machine is portable, you Could kill/mold him, go to the present/new future, and see the results. Or if you didn't like the results, go back in time, and stop yourself from killing/molding him. But then, if that was true, wouldn't you see your self, coming back to the past to stop yourself from killing/molding him on your first attempt? And what if killing/molding him somehow eradicated You? Would you poof outta existence the moment you saw him, or would the universe exploud with great exzzplusions? But really, the saying about "learning from the past" exists, cause thats the Only thing you can do with it. Unless you wanna repeat it, but thats up to the individual

This topic is hard on the imagination... 🙁

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I think if you went back in time to kill a child Hitler you would get arrested and prosecuted for murdering a kid. If you said that you were from the future and that he would grow up to be an evil dictator and kill all those people, I doubt anyone would actually believe you. You would either receive the death sentence, be jailed, or commited to a mental health facility

So what if the time-line is messed up? If you believe in quantum physics, then the time-lines would branch, anyway--in fact, an infinite number of time-lines already exist, fractured at several places due to quantum indeterminacy. What difference would one more time-line make? It might even already exist, and you'd just be creating a duplicate or near-duplicate...

You talk like thats the truth, that an infinite number of time lines already exist. What you have said is all completely theoretical, not to mention that your thinking of time as a straight line when its of a different dimension. To try to relate it to two or three dimensions is practically impossible especially when talking about changing things in the past and in the future.

Anyways regarding the question everyone says WWII was horrible because of all the deaths, but what most people do not realize though was that WWI was the problem and WWII was the solution to everything. It was WWII that brought back the stability that was lost in WWI I'm not sure of how many people know of world history, but everyone was in a depression after WWI and it took WWII to pull everyone out of the depression. I'm not sure of what everyone knows about economics but it has to do with Keynsian Economics. I'm too lazy to explain it.

The thing is why risk changing the present when you live in a fine situation? The problems that hitler may have caused has now been a scar in time, and there are only very few people that are still affected by it. Try it sometimes, go through a day and ask yourself whether or not you would have made a different choice in the morning, and if you would risk your current situation for another unknown situation. It is not possible to always get the best in life, and sometimes its necessary to learn to be satisfied with our current situaions. What Hitler did was it bad? possible, Necessary? probably, but why would we risk our current situations to change something thats happened so long ago?

Kill Hitler -> WWII gets delayed a decade or two -> WWII happens...with multiple sides having lots of nukes -> Rocks fall, everybody dies

So no, I'd leave things as is.

"It is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."

Why should I care Hitler....Its better to look at my past life....learn about my family hierachy...where i came from and who is my great great great great grandma's and grandpa's....
If I kill baby Hitler I will be punish then probably end up at no future....