Make water a human right?
16 years ago
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I think many people don't have a clear understanding of rights. Of course people should have the right to water. But what does that entail?
Does it mean that gov't should give me water for free?
How does gov't get that water in the first place?
Does that mean I can go to any well and drink from it no matter who's well it is?
What if that water is for a family and was built by them?
Does gov't have the authority to take that well someone else made and ration it out amongst the populace?
How about buying that well? Where do they get the money for the purchase? Taxes? Forcibly taking one persons money and using it to pay for something someone else should be able to provide for themselves?
If one wants water, or a decent standard of living, one must work for it, that is the way of the world. Yes a few people get by cause their parents' were rich, but everyone else has to do what gets done.
Granted gov't shouldn't be taking water/land away then selling it back to people through corporations. But neither should they take stuff from others in order to provide for someone else. Let people keep their money and buy their own water.
(libertarian here, so not a total anarchist, but may look like it to the statist worldview that is so prevalent today)
no....I doubt it's that complicated. It's just a question of whether the government have the legitimate right to control the water or not. If yes, then the government may limit the water supply whenever they wish. If no, then the government have no right to control the water supply and the government is also not responsible for the water supply. If it comes to that, then we go back to Thomas Hobbes' wonderful state of nature where each person have a right to everything in the world, given that they have the ability to take it.
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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic
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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.
16 years ago
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Quote from Sijy
I think many people don't have a clear understanding of rights. Of course people should have the right to water. But what does that entail?
Does it mean that gov't should give me water for free?
How does gov't get that water in the first place?
Does that mean I can go to any well and drink from it no matter who's well it is?
What if that water is for a family and was built by them?
Does gov't have the authority to take that well someone else made and ration it out amongst the populace?
How about buying that well? Where do they get the money for the purchase? Taxes? Forcibly taking one persons money and using it to pay for something someone else should be able to provide for themselves?
If one wants water, or a decent standard of living, one must work for it, that is the way of the world. Yes a few people get by cause their parents' were rich, but everyone else has to do what gets done.
Granted gov't shouldn't be taking water/land away then selling it back to people through corporations. But neither should they take stuff from others in order to provide for someone else. Let people keep their money and buy their own water.
(libertarian here, so not a total anarchist, but may look like it to the statist worldview that is so prevalent today)
I agree completly
what they can do is find or clean more water, they cant just decide to give it out because water is a market inevitably weather you want it to be free or not its impossible all thatd do is make it run out, now if there was more water the price for it would lower.
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16 years ago
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Let's face it, people take advantage of free things. If you make water a "human right"-- that makes it free, and being free means you can get as much as you want. Then people would think, "oh it's okay... The water is free and I guess there's still more supply [since water is free]." We would run out of water supply, I think. Okay, say that water is free but there's a limit. Then, wouldn't that lose its purpose of being free? Water should just be regulated like they do now. At least they try to purify it and everything.
16 years ago
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Quote from niiica
Let's face it, people take advantage of free things. If you make water a "human right"-- that makes it free, and being free means you can get as much as you want. Then people would think, "oh it's okay... The water is free and I guess there's still more supply [since water is free]." We would run out of water supply, I think. Okay, say that water is free but there's a limit. Then, wouldn't that lose its purpose of being free? Water should just be regulated like they do now. At least they try to purify it and everything.
That is exactly how I feel things would end...
lets not forget the riots because there is not enough "clean water"
I think is the duty of all governments to give their people a stable water supply before anything else, not fucking roads or trains -_-
16 years ago
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Quote from niiica
Let's face it, people take advantage of free things. If you make water a "human right"-- that makes it free, and being free means you can get as much as you want. Then people would think, "oh it's okay... The water is free and I guess there's still more supply [since water is free]." We would run out of water supply, I think. Okay, say that water is free but there's a limit. Then, wouldn't that lose its purpose of being free? Water should just be regulated like they do now. At least they try to purify it and everything.
That is exactly how I feel things would end...
lets not forget the riots because there is not enough "clean water"
I think is the duty of all governments to give their people a stable water supply before anything else, not fucking roads or trains -_-
well, the roads and trains are essential parts of a country. Without communication or access route, where are you going to ship all the supplies?
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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic
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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.
16 years ago
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Without water how are you going to live?
See the point -_-
who cares about a road, when I will most likely die for lack of drinkable water -_-
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Without water how are you going to live?
See the point -_-
who cares about a road, when I will most likely die for lack of drinkable water -_-
Drink blood.
16 years ago
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Oh, believe me, If I find myself in a dead or alive situation cannibalism would surely be in my list of options, but I would distillate the blood since you are aware that drinking blood would most likely kill you... right?
Moderator16 years ago
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Oh, believe me, If I find myself in a dead or alive situation cannibalism would surely be in my list of options, but I would distillate the blood since you are aware that drinking blood would most likely kill you... right?
No more than a pint and you'll be fine, maybe a little sick to your stomach.
And you'll need one hell of an apparatus to distill blood...
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16 years ago
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o.o
there are different ways to distill it, but that is not the topic and I don't want to be creepy.
16 years ago
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Without water how are you going to live?
See the point -_-
who cares about a road, when I will most likely die for lack of drinkable water -_-
without road, only people near the water source are able to live, the rest of them dies. See the point? 🙄
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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic
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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.
16 years ago
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Huh, that is secondary
You need to have water otherwise the road is pretty much useless
anyway is obvious that I mean water + the way to distribute it -_-
That is why I said is a government duty to give its citizens (all of them) a stable water supply, at least as a top priority.
16 years ago
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Quote from Chaoswind
Huh, that is secondary
You need to have water otherwise the road is pretty much useless
anyway is obvious that I mean water + the way to distribute it -_-
That is why I said is a government duty to give its citizens (all of them) a stable water supply, at least as a top priority.
You don't see my point?
To get water to everyone we need road.........so how do YOU plan on distributing water if we have no road, no communication, no intersection, no connection with each other?
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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic
Quote from Toto
I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.
Moderator16 years ago
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Quit it, you guys are dwelling on a trivial point.
Yes, water is important to us, since our bodies need that to survive and not roads. But since we don't live in the Stone Ages anymore, and the world has basically become globalized making infrastructure highly valuable as well. They're equally important.
Anyways, enough about this, and stay on topic.
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