Where went the tags go to?
14 years ago
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Quote from FormX
Well, an extensive tagging system aims to be as descriptive as possible, and is not meant to be perfect.
Being descriptive is definitely important, but even more important than that is usefulness. The categories section is supposed to help people get a better idea of what a series is about, to find series that they want to read via specific things they like, etc. If the category section for a series has tags that are unimportant or way too many tags, then it becomes cluttered, and the category feature can't serve its function effectively (because the useful tags get sort of buried in the mess). Multiple tags that are synonyms, silly tags like "epicness," or tags that are so common that they're not even worth mentioning like "long-haired female," also inhibit the category feature's usefulness (by cluttering it up).
User voting, as you mentioned, is the first measure to dealing with this problem: it causes the tags that the community most values to go to the top of the list, and since only the top 10 or so tags are shown by default, it serves to hide the tags that are probably "clutter."
Then the staff's job is to dispose of the clutter when it collects, and to fix things if a bad tag somehow gets overused/a lot of positive votes (which happens 'cause users get carried away sometimes). And then the final measure is that the anyone can issue a complaint to the staff if he/she thinks a tag should not have been deleted.
14 years ago
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I think this is a great thing tbh... sure it'll be annoying atm but in the near future it'll make things easier to sort.
Gratz on making the site more organized and efficient, and good luck dealing with the ranting for awhile.
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13 years ago
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auriga kindly direct me to this thread. So question from my thread:
So, why is tag "non-bl with predominantly male cast" removed? It's a handy categories. There's category "huge cast of character", but what if I want manga that has huge cast of male/female only?
(and of course I don't look for any yaoi/yuri series, so this tag is needed)
13 years ago
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Okay, so several days ago, I added as many tall/short male/female lead tags as I could find. Unfortunately the cached pages had already disappeared for the tall/short girl/boy tags, so I did it the old-fashioned way, searching titles and descriptions. This method isn't able to find all of the instances where the tag should be used, so if you see a series for which it applies, feel free to add it. (Not the tall/short girl/boy ones though. I haven't heard a good argument yet for keeping them (just a reminder, the problem is that "girl" and "boy" are too general), so those are still not allowed.)
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So, why is tag "non-bl with predominantly male cast" removed? It's a handy categories. There's category "huge cast of character", but what if I want manga that has huge cast of male/female only? I removed it and its counterpart, Non-GL with Predominantly Female Cast. Every single harem and reverse harem would have one of these two tags. Isn't it redundant?
13 years ago
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13 years ago
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What happens when that tag was applied to a non-harem manga? If the tag was only used for harem type series, it wouldn't really matter. However, there are series such as worst and crow that are only or mostly only one gender that's not harem or gay.
Also, female and male is the original generalizing term for gender. Boy and girl are more specific than male and female... it indicates the age and gender/sex of the discribed person. Not saying you need to change the word usage... just being pedantic.
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13 years ago
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Quote from FormX
Well, an extensive tagging system aims to be as descriptive as possible, and is not meant to be perfect.
That is what synopses are for?
13 years ago
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I removed it and its counterpart, Non-GL with Predominantly Female Cast. Every single harem and reverse harem would have one of these two tags. Isn't it redundant?
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What happens when that tag was applied to a non-harem manga? If the tag was only used for harem type series, it wouldn't really matter. However, there are series such as worst and crow that are only or mostly only one gender that's not harem or gay.
Also, female and male is the original generalizing term for gender. Boy and girl are more specific than male and female... it indicates the age and gender/sex of the discribed person. Not saying you need to change the word usage... just being pedantic.
I was late to see the replies... basically like Toto said. I remember lots of series in "non-bl with predominantly male cast" are not harem. They're mostly series like Crows and Worst, lots of dudes, no female. How is it count as (reverse) harem? Even when there's female, she's minor character, and definitely no romance whatsoever.
13 years ago
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Quote from FormX
Well, an extensive tagging system aims to be as descriptive as possible, and is not meant to be perfect.
That is what synopsises are for?
Since you seem to be very keen on notifying others of flaws in their English, I can't help but point out to you that the plural of "synopsis" is "synopses", just like the plural of "crisis" is "crises" and not "crisises".
On topic, I personally find extensive tagging very useful, and even though certain tags may not seem very useful to me, I'm sure there are plenty of people who do find it useful. Certainly, synopses are useful, because they provide additional information; however, we are not given synopses for all series, and sometimes the synopsis isn't very clear. Moreover, what would we even gain by completely removing certain tags?
13 years ago
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Moreover, what would we even gain by completely removing certain tags?
Less clutter in the database.
13 years ago
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Quote from WandereroftheDeep
Moreover, what would we even gain by completely removing certain tags?
Less clutter in the database.
Ok, I get your point; the list now is rather long.
But maybe you could make a thread about which tags you deem redudant (prior to removing them), so you can see if a significant number of members do find a specific tag that you thought wasn't really needed useful.
That would save you the effort of having to re-tag manga if it turns out a lot of people did find the tag useful and start making a big fuss about it being removed.
Just a suggestion.
13 years ago
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People would make a fuss about any change.
If we let people have their way, One Piece would be tagged as a Romance.
I hate people.
13 years ago
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Quote from FormX
Well, an extensive tagging system aims to be [u]as descriptive as possible[/u], and is not meant to be perfect.
That is what synopsises are for?
Since you seem to be very keen on notifying others of flaws in their English, I can't help but point out to you that the plural of "synopsis" is "synopses", just like the plural of "crisis" is "crises" and not "crisises".
Thanks for pointing that out (Y).
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13 years ago
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Well, an extensive tagging system aims to be as descriptive as possible, and is not meant to be perfect.
That is what synopses are for?
You can't search for other similar manga using the plot summary.
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13 years ago
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Quote from Toto
What happens when that tag was applied to a non-harem manga? If the tag was only used for harem type series, it wouldn't really matter. However, there are series such as worst and crow that are only or mostly only one gender that's not harem or gay.
Quote from P3pelepe
I remember lots of series in "non-bl with predominantly male cast" are not harem. They're mostly series like Crows and Worst, lots of dudes, no female. How is it count as (reverse) harem? Even when there's female, she's minor character, and definitely no romance whatsoever. Okay, so you want a tag for non-BL/GL and non-harem series with mostly male/mostly female casts? Hhmm... how about Non-Romance with Mostly Male Cast and Non-Romance with Mostly Female Cast? It decribes what you want while clearly excluding BL, GL, and harem series, and without being way too long. But then it would exclude all romance series, and it still sounds kind of clunky...
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But maybe you could make a thread about which tags you deem redudant (prior to removing them), so you can see if a significant number of members do find a specific tag that you thought wasn't really needed useful.
That would save you the effort of having to re-tag manga if it turns out a lot of people did find the tag useful and start making a big fuss about it being removed. I think, ideally, that's a good idea, but I also have second thoughts about it:
-A lot of people may not even look at the thread. They may only come ask about a category after they notice it's been deleted. I just keep thinking of how, a couple months ago (when the tags had gotten out of control... there were synonyms, misspellings, and dumb categories all over the place), I deleted (or merged with other categories) a couple hundred categories in about one week. I made a list of all the changes in case anyone had any objections and posted it in the categories bugs thread. But I doubt many people know about that list, let alone have looked at it, you know?
-I'm a little worried about squabbles breaking out. I mean, I have a thought-out justification for every tag I delete/plan to delete, and I can remember mostly all of them, and I don't mind being asked to explain why I plan to delete a category, but posting a list of tags I'm planning to delete (it's not just a few every once in a while. I'm bad at estimating, but I think I currently delete/merge with others about 5 or 10 categories a week), seems like inviting trouble. Just because it's a lot of "fresh stuff" to argue over, especially when it's presented like that.
Quote from Toto
Also, female and male is the original generalizing term for gender. Boy and girl are more specific than male and female... it indicates the age and gender/sex of the discribed person. Not saying you need to change the word usage... just being pedantic. Yep, male and female are more general; that's why I went with "___ male lead" and "___ female lead" when deciding what would be a good name for the tags about main characters/protagonists where sex might be important. That way there don't need to be different tags for ages ("___ boy lead" vs. "___ man lead"), ...and also "___ girl lead" and "___ boy lead" just sound weird.
But anyway, just "___ female" and "___ girl" (and their male counterparts) as tags by themselves are both usually going to be too general to be useful (unless the adjective is unusual/specific enough, like "cat girl," or if the tag is actually a term, like "fangirl," "playboy," or "genki girl").
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