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i would first like to state that I am not a naruto hater. I actually have read every manga chapter and have watched all naruto episodes up to the massive filler crator. Recently i've started to look back and started to realize that this manga is nothing ike it use to be.

Point 1: The best part of Sauske was his drive to avenge his clan. Besides Naruto's hokage dream it was the only other motive that really left an imprint on me.
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Now that he's actually confronting his brother...it kind of seems rushed...i'm really not interested in what happens to sauske after his brother dies so sauske hismelf...whether he lives or dies it's basically the end of his character


Point 2: I really liked how Naruto was befor the time skip. Given he was weaker than he is now I was more intreged in his room for growth and not the then of the road itself. I liked naruto because he allways overcame obsicals. Now Naruto just seems like a demon on a leesh thats about to snap. In other Words Naruto is the equivilant to SSJ 4.

Point 3: Alot of the action scenes are getting repetative. Garra vs. Rock Lee and Naruto vs. Sauske were both ands down 2 of the best action sequences i've ever read or scene.
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Sauske Vs. Itachi...seems to be exaclly like Garra vs. Naruto. In the sense that they faught on a small scale....then brought out the monsters. Can anyone say Power Rangers?.


Final Point: In the beggining alot of the jutsu used sort of kinda made sense. Recently as a reader it's kinda of...wtf. It was clearly explained and made sense in the begining and now it's kind of like being pulled out of toilet. It just seems to be very far fetched now. Like wat is the point to what element your chakra is if you can still do any sort of justu outside of the element of your chakra if your good enough.
Thats like in college when you need credits and your taking hard classes when you could take easy electives that give you the same outcome. I don't hate Naruto...i'm just really becoming disapointed with the direction it's headed...if you've actually read this...or read some of this respond and let me hear your thoughts...maybe i might get intruged in the manga again if some one makes a good point

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Naruto's growth after the time skip ruined it for me. I loved in the beginning how when things got hard or he became emotional the Kyuubi would come out. That was some of my favorite Naruto moments. But now thats all he seems to do is call out Kyuubi. No new jutsus just expansions on the ones he already had and everything he does get is forbidden to use. He didn't even learn to do a one-hand rasengan over the time skip!

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Post #135940 - Reply to (#135937) by Haiyeth
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Naruto's growth after the time skip ruined it for me. I loved in the beginning how when things got hard or he became emotional the Kyuubi would come out. That was some of my favorite Naruto moments. But now thats all he seems to do is call out Kyuubi. No new jutsus just expansions on the ones he already had and everything he does get is forbidden to use. He didn't even learn to do a one-hand rasengan over the time skip!


but he stopped relying on kyuubi as much..and he still gona use those justsus he use

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lol i meant if any one had comments against the points i made

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Point 1:
I call Sasuke Naruto's other half, or significant other really. So him facing off against itachi just means he one step closer to getting back together with naruto bigrazz. He wouldn't be satisfied even if he did beat itach really, itachi will win out one way or another since revenge driven characters always gets screwed out of getting what they want. If sasuke gets a satisfying end to this fight I'll stop reading this series for real, revenge characters will get screwed over in the end, always (or else it'll be implying it's a good idea to get revenge since you'll be satisfied with the result).

Point 2:
yeh, he totally just snaps now, but I actually prefer it when he does snap to the point of the kyuubi powers. At least he can fight while in that state and not just be a genin level idiot that still can't fight properly. In the past he overcame each obstacle with something, and kept the suspense up with his use of jutsus. We barely see him use transformation jutsu anymore even though it's his most power and intelligent skill.

Point 3:
Lol, power rangers, if only the series took that approach at least they'll get new zords and rangers and finish the enemies in less than 30 minutes each time. I don't have much problems with everyone having some uber big zord to use, but it's kinda stupid if it's just to stall...
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orochimaru's hydra? that is filler in manga form...
At least with Gaara and Naruto it made sense with the giant guys, itachi was pusing it but sasuke just didn't make sense.

Final point:
Not much against here either, valid enough since there's no countering with elements all that much. Heck, jutsus aren't even being used all that much since people are now equipped with internal flamethrowers and surveilance cameras for eyes. No more hand signs, no more thinking about how to go about fighting, it's all just plain fireballs, fireballs, lightning, and straight up punches.

If this series doesn't end soon a lot of things will catch up, it makes about as much sense as a bunch of poop rapidly flung together to make the weekly deadline.
Don't hate the series myself, just don't like what it's been doing for a while, especially when things are being done in the super fast pace without much thought into it.

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Why Naruto is Swirling down the drain? Simple, it's the most tipical manga ever currently on par with Bleach.

Post #136084 - Reply to (#135955) by NanashiRyuu
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Why Naruto is Swirling down the drain? Simple, it's the most tipical manga ever currently on par with Bleach.


Bleach is more of a DBZ knockoff where every super bad guy is beaten by inventing a new level of power (super saiyen ring a bell?).

Naruto has created its own category of crap, IMO.

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It was good at the start of Shippuden...but lately....no.
just...no.

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Point 1:
I call Sasuke Naruto's other half, or significant other really. So him facing off against itachi just means he one step closer to getting back together with naruto bigrazz . He wouldn't be satisfied even if he did beat itach really, itachi will win out one way or another since revenge driven characters always gets screwed out of getting what they want. If sasuke gets a satisfying end to this fight I'll stop reading this series for real, revenge characters will get screwed over in the end, always (or else it'll be implying it's a good idea to get revenge since you'll be satisfied with the result).

Point 2:
yeh, he totally just snaps now, but I actually prefer it when he does snap to the point of the kyuubi powers. At least he can fight while in that state and not just be a genin level idiot that still can't fight properly. In the past he overcame each obstacle with something, and kept the suspense up with his use of jutsus. We barely see him use transformation jutsu anymore even though it's his most power and intelligent skill.

Point 3:
Lol, power rangers, if only the series took that approach at least they'll get new zords and rangers and finish the enemies in less than 30 minutes each time. I don't have much problems with everyone having some uber big zord to use, but it's kinda stupid if it's just to stall...
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orochimaru's hydra? that is filler in manga form...
At least with Gaara and Naruto it made sense with the giant guys, itachi was pusing it but sasuke just didn't make sense.

Final point:
Not much against here either, valid enough since there's no countering with elements all that much. Heck, jutsus aren't even being used all that much since people are now equipped with internal flamethrowers and surveilance cameras for eyes. No more hand signs, no more thinking about how to go about fighting, it's all just plain fireballs, fireballs, lightning, and straight up punches.

If this series doesn't end soon a lot of things will catch up, it makes about as much sense as a bunch of poop rapidly flung together to make the weekly deadline.
Don't hate the series myself, just don't like what it's been doing for a while, especially when things are being done in the super fast pace without much thought into it.


Great lol finally some one sort of kinda agrees with my points. On the final point it does piss me off now that the way people fight is just straight up fireballs, fireballs, ect. Jutsu's would have been great if the treated them like they treat special moves in Prince of tennis lol. Atleast that manga accumulates and builds on the base. But thats besides the point. I think i'm gonna be as dissapointed with the ending to Naruto as i was with O-parts hunter.You can allready see it. Soon thier gonna explain alll of the loose ends and mysteries...It was the cliff hangers that made us read along...like the fact that the 4rth was naruto's father...we all knew that...but telling us that made us not really care...it was better when we could try to figure out if it was true.

p.s. read my points in the beggining and respond lol...if u don't care to read em lol atleast say that

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Quote from fallofkakashi
It was good at the start of Shippuden...but lately....no.
just...no.

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It was good at the start of Shippuden...but lately....no.
just...no.

too true

definitley agree to that, after the saving Gaara arc it just ended for me.

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Why Naruto is Swirling down the drain? Simple, it's the most tipical manga ever currently on par with Bleach.


Bleach is more of a DBZ knockoff where every super bad guy is beaten by inventing a new level of power (super saiyen ring a bell?).

Naruto has created its own category of crap, IMO.

I can't really argue with that, everytime someone needs more power they magicaly find some cool Xth form or something like in dragonball z or in Naruto's case they just learn some new techniques or the series will go through a stupid timeskip that no one likes.

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Why Naruto is Swirling down the drain? Simple, it's the most tipical manga ever currently on par with Bleach.


Bleach is more of a DBZ knockoff where every super bad guy is beaten by inventing a new level of power (super saiyen ring a bell?).

Naruto has created its own category of crap, IMO.

I can't really argue with that, everytime someone needs more power they magicaly find some cool Xth form or something like in dragonball z or in Naruto's case they just learn some new techniques or the series will go through a stupid timeskip that no one likes.


Exactly, I mean they are milking the super power idea and the filler idea so much, you think that the cow would die already, I mean at the beginning I liked it but now its become so much stupider and longer, and it wont end, do you know that we could be watching naruto and all of those long-episode animes at the age of 80 (a possibility you never know)

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Naruto is good, stop hating~ >.< What? You were expecting a masterpiece? You're reading the wrong manga then. xD Even children watch this. ._.

But it's still good, you know.

You say that after Shippuden began it just got worse? Well, give me some examples and strong arguments.

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@Dr. Love
lol thats not what this topic is about
the people under have gotten way off topic
i posted this just to see if i could be swayed back to likeing naruto
read the first post

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