Okay, so my friend and I were having a debate on whether someone can be born gay. She thinks that someone can be born gay because she believes that there's a gene in your body that determines whether you're gay or not, just like how there's genes that determine what hair color you have, what color your eyes are, etc.

For me, I think that it's through personal experiences in your life that can make you gay, not genes. And personally, I don't think a baby can be gay when it's too young to be attracted to any sex.

So, what do you all think?

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I said both, but I feel like its the experiences that matter more. Experiences shape who we are as people, so of course it will play a deciding role in who we are attracted to. But still, I'm not so sure how I stand on this argument.

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I don't think sexuality is really something we learn.
Animals don't learn it either. I've heard that using alchol
during pregnancy can make homosexuality in the child
more prominent. Experience can affect how we perceive
and accept ourselves as we are though.

I don't think it's determined to genetic level, I'm not sure it can be said to be acquired through experience either. I think that it might be more related to the construction of the mind of the individual, even if I myself can't really explain that in a way it would actually make some sense 🤣

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From my own personal experiences and what I've seen in others, I'm pretty sure it is through your experiences.

I don't see how genes can determine behavioral patterns. Every study done to prove that has not been able to replicated.

I honestly don't know. O_O. Maybe both..

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Experience can affect how we perceive
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This.

I think I read an article somewhere about homosexuality at a genetic level... but does everything have to be black and white? I find it hard to believe that anyone would choose to be gay, considering the hardships most face.

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I don't see how genes can determine behavioral patterns. Every study done to prove that has not been able to replicated.

I don't think being gay, in and of itself, is a behavioral pattern.

I'd like to know what experience can actually turn a person gay. A lot of sisters pampering him or something?

Oh, and concerning the topic, I'm moving this to 18+

What is bugging me about this gene of gayness is, wouldn't it be at a huge disadvantage of passing itself on to another generation naturally?
In fact I believe it would be practically doomed to become extinct.
So idoubt it could have managed to spread itself enough to be a major cause for homosexuality.

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I'd like to know what experience can actually turn a person gay. A lot of sisters pampering him or something?

A long prison stay clearly promotes gayness I'd say.

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It's primarily genetic. I really don't get the "it's all experience" argument, the same logic would dictate that experience creates heterosexuality, and not only do animals not appear to be affected in that matter, but I've never met a straight person who was able to articulate an experience that made them as such.

Obviously, our experiences will have an influence our perceptions of ourselves, and cultural identity does play a role. However, when you have as consistent a number of people as 2-4% of the population (according to correct modern statistics, not the clearly biased >1% study in the 80s or the 5-10% study in the late 40s) in virtually all cultures, there is a strong suggestion that it's not solely an experiential phenomenon, but instead a genetic one.

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I've been told by people more reputable than priests and fictional literature that its by birth. Or to be less precise, it's physical, not mental.

...but I voted both. If people are stupid enough to convert to another religion because they saw Raptor Jesus on their tortilla or whatever, then I don't put it past humans to start liking the same sex by a similar phenomenon.

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Then I don't put it past humans to start liking the same sex by a similar phenomenon.

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Well, it's known that it is the generics that matters.
How did people know they were attracted to the same sex before gays and lesbians where common knowledge?
It used to be considered a sin by about everyone.
What experience could make a person be gay then?

Same goes for the other direction. How do you know you are straight?
That you can't/can name it doesn't make it any less/more real.

Sexuality is something we come to understand, but always have inside.

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Genetics, hormones and the different balance of them, experiences and certainly other factors, none of them are either on or off parameters but rather scales, degrees, different shades of gray rather than black and white, you know what I mean right?

The definitions we have are to help us categorize, discuss, analyze and make statistics with. Arguing about what makes one gay is arguing the definition of gay, what is gay. Consider the differences between a person who has never had sexual intercourse with a partner of either sex but identifies as gay, a person who has had only with partners of same sex and a person who has predominately had with same sex and a person roughly 50/50. To put it roughly, how many of the opposite sex does one have to shag to become straight? It is a matter of definition related to the kind of research you are doing and need the data for.

Where does the gay end and where does the straight begin? Bisexuality gets thrown into the mix as the intermediary between the two and they all overlap, some have proposed that we are all actually bisexual which has about as much point in it as saying that we are all humans.

Intercourse between sexes of between the sexes, that is intersexed and self identified so called third sex individuals, where does that land?

Holy shit what a mess.

Born or experiences, it doesn't matter, we are more than our sexuality and we all, and the choices we make in life, deserve to be treated with respect... (except the idiots, 'cause they're idiots)

Sorry I kind of vomited all this here, it probably even went in a way that wasn't meant for this thread.

As a young grade schooler I had a penis thrust into my mouth -- believe me when I say it wasn't by my choice -- and I realized I was not gay. Perhaps every good member of society should try this on the young to see where their taste lies early on?

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