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Born or experiences, it doesn't matter, we are more than our sexuality and we all, and the choices we make in life, deserve to be treated with respect... (except the idiots, 'cause they're idiots

And the conclusion is...inconclusive.

You sure wrote a lot to end up missing the point entirely.

I know it's popular to rain down righteous love-speech from atop Mt. Moral High Ground these days, but that's not what is being discussed. I can only imagine what you would have said if I had used my original post draft where I implied that gay people were "broken". On topic please.

I am not prostrate. I am looking at the sky on the other side of Earth.

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There may be a genetic factor, i.e. a gene or genes that give a greater statistical probability of having a particular orientation. But it's not genetically determined as such. Genetically identical twins often have different sexual orientations.

That doesn't necessarily mean it cannot be from (before, actually) birth, though. Consider fingerprints, which are also not genetically determined (since they also differ in identical twins) but develop while still in the womb.

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I know it's popular to rain down righteous love-speech from atop Mt. Moral High Ground these days, but that's not what is being discussed. I can only imagine what you would have said if I had used my original post draft where I implied that gay people were "broken". On topic please.

No it just pisses me the fuck off when I see ninnies prancing around gushing their sexuality as if it were every- and the only thing they were. Characters so flat they have to exude masculinity or femininity from their every pore in order to simply exist, for the alternative of simply being would be so dreadful. The shit-heels that bring a bad name to both camps. Now I thought it would be nicer to say it the way I said instead of berating them as I did now, but hey fuck it. Shit don't matter 'cause we're all walking dead, and for all the efforts we do it sure as shit won't matter to us after we die, and we all do.

Gay people broken? Yes. Hormonal levels strayed from the normal. As a reproductive machinery, totally broken! You should have heard me when I was comparing gays to puppy dogs that try to pork your legs and furniture. HAHA oh those puppies!

Yes it does piss me off as well that we should have to be so politically correct about some things, but goddamnit because nothing matters in the end why stir up bad blood if you can avoid it?

Sometimes. I hate. I try not to, I try hard... But... Then I remember, hey, it's the internet.

I still stand by that in the case of Nature or Nurture, it is Both.

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I think people are born with their sexuality but they arent aware of it because it was not the time that they needed it. Like genital organs are there from birth but not fully developed and as one grows up, it matures along with mind...

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There is no definitive answer on what homosexuality is. We can compartmentalize people based on the knowledge we have of them, in this case determining whether or not homosexuality seems bred or gained through experience, but without intimate knowledge of ALL, we only have our ideas to work on.

I voted both for this exact reason.

i can say with confidence if a girl was born straight, and she was severely abused in many different ways by men only, chances are she would rather jump into the arms of a woman over a man.

Er...I guess I'll vote "other"? When I think about it, it doesn't make sense for someone to be born gay. Or straight. Or born anything, really. When I'm asked, I say I'm straight, but I'm very open to the possibility of being attracted to someone (physically or mentally) that is of the same gender as I am...It's all just terms, words...they mean nothing.

"Experience" is definitely not the right word to use here. The person I am today is formed by everything I've seen, heard, touched, smelled, tasted...not "experience" in the way it is most commonly used.

So I neither think someone is born gay or straight, and "experience" doesn't make someone gay or straight either, but who we are as a person is what matters; pick a situation. Chances are, I'll react different than you will, because everyone grew up in different environments, around different people, we think differently and react differently, even when people are similar. It's impossible to pin-point every little thing that goes into the making of our subconscious.

Regardless, it is not a decision, people do not decide to be straight, and if there were experiences that made them straight, what would they be?

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I don't believe in some sort of gay gene. Through experience.

I'll hug your problems away.