So in the end may someone who really can read japanese (not only guessing on the raws image) and read this shi... manga say did Chisa lose her virginity to the guy who tried to rape her or this is just blood from her period (as some people say) or whatever?

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i would also like to see some spoiler

I read the Chinese translation of the manga and will be happy to provide some spoilers.

Yes. Chisa did lost her virginity to her playboy colleague. She mentioned that he freaked out when he saw the blood and apologise to her for not knowing or believing she was a virgin.

In vol 4, she lied to the guy about being pregnant and having to abort to gauge his remorsefulness. And convinced him to seek counselling so that other girls would not become his victims.

Eventually, Chisa and Ponta did get back together and consummate their relationship at the beach where they first met.

The series ended with both of them getting married and have a daughter.

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I read the Chinese translation of the manga and will be happy to provide some spoilers.

Yes. Chisa did lost her virginity to her playboy colleague. She mentioned that he freaked out when he saw the blood and apologise to her for not knowing or believing she was a virgin.

In vol 4, she lied to the guy about being pregnant and having to abort to gauge his remorsefulness. And convinced him to seek counselling so that other girls would not become his victims.

Eventually, Chisa and Ponta did get back together and consummate their relationship at the beach where they first met.

The series ended with both of them getting married and have a daughter.

So she did give it up to that guy willingly? Heh..Pon's an idiot for getting back together with her.. Doesn't let her boyfriend have her virginity, but gives it up without a fight to some random guy..what a bitch... :| I hate netorare.... X_X

By the original Japanese:

No, she didn't give it up willingly. She gave up resisting halfway through in order for it to end faster. This does not change the fact that afterwards she lies to Ponta and says that she did it willingly and that the other guy was way better in bed than he was. She did that to drive Ponta away, but it didn't work. Honestly I have no sympathy for Chisa, nor for Ponta for working to get back together with her after what she said to him.

Yeah this manga was really frustrating to read. Chisa has a lot of emotional baggage and Ponta would have been better off w/ another girl entirely. He should've took his out when he had the chance.

Still what really pissed me off was that Ponta and the rapist guy spent the rest of the series palling around like old buddies.

LOOK AT MY WITTY SIG!!11!!!!11

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By the original Japanese:

No, she didn't give it up willingly. **She gave up resisting halfway through in order for it to end faster. **This does not change the fact that afterwards she lies to Ponta and says that she did it willingly and that the other guy was way better in bed than he was. She did that to drive Ponta away, but it didn't work. Honestly I have no sympathy for Chisa, nor for Ponta for working to get back together with her after what she said to him.

I hate that the most. The guy actually unties her and suddenly she stops resisting? If she had loved Ponta so much, she'd have wanted to keep herself pure for him...especially after all they had already went through trying to have their "first time"...yet she just gives in so easily after he unties her...so much for her planning to run away/get away.

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I hate that the most. The guy actually unties her and suddenly she stops resisting? If she had loved Ponta so much, she'd have wanted to keep herself pure for him...especially after all they had already went through trying to have their "first time"...yet she just gives in so easily af ...

Sorry for the WOT but seriously...

I hate that way of thinking. She didn't "stop" resisting, or not love Ponta enough to keep herself for him. The bastard convinced her that Ponta and she were over due to the suggestive photos he'd sent him, then tortured her psychologically until with the final humiliation of being forced to wet herself in front of him she was so overwhelmed with depression that she literally lost all hope and will. It's not that she didn't resist, it's that at that point after what he'd done she couldn't resist, felt no hope for escape, and did the only thing her psyche still held as an option: to acquiesce to all demands so it'd end sooner while closing her eyes and pretending it's not him.[/I]
This is not an NTR story people, it's a RAPE story, and following that scene we get a very good look at what it's like for a rape victim. It's pretty intense when she's talking to her friend, as she wipes the leftover blood with a handkerchief and talks about what happened. She begs Rumi to tell people that she was swept off her feet and happily went to bed with him, not wanting people to know the truth. When she mentions Takigawa panicking at the blood and apologizing that he didn't know she was a virgin (despite her repeatedly telling her she was, with him insisting no virgin could be that sensitive), she starts screaming in fury, wanting to know if this means it'd be fine to do anything if she wasn't a virgin. She doesn't tell Ponta that Takigawa is better than him in bed or anything like that either, just that he was really good and made her feel good, and that she's the one that called him to hang out that day. This wasn't just to drive Ponta away either. It was a rejection of his excessive compensation, as he came to her apologizing for not being there and going on about how he should have realized that she'd never cheat or anything, while due to her having asked him out and then failed to stop him she believes that she HAS cheated on him. It's frankly even more traumatic to experience pleasure or feel that one could have done something to stop the rape. After this we go through a lot of stuff, with her trying to figure out if she's "just that kind of woman", rejecting any help or anything that would make her accept that she's been raped, anyone who'd love a "filthy" person like her. She bathes frequently, and washes herself over and over when in the bath as she feels like she just can't get clean. And finally when Ponta gets told off by his tutor about what Chisa would be feeling after all this, and told to stop trying to fantasize things like a girl as sensitive as her not feeling anything at the hands of a sexual expert, he forces his way back into her life, inviting her to go on a trip she'd wanted for which he'd stay close but not too close, not as a boyfriend or date but just a bodyguard. At last she forces Ponta to watch her pee, not liking that only Takigawa has seen that part of her, then tells him how she didn't resist, and he refuses her claims of infidelity, forcing her to realize what was stated at the time that it was occurring: that Takigawa's abuse had been so bad that she even temporarily lost the ability to conceive of escaping (in her own words, she lost the willpower to fight back).

Please don't go talking of Chisa as being a cheater, or of Ponta as being pathetic for pursuing a girl like that. This's frankly insulting to those who have been victimized, many of whom have to work hard not to blame themselves. She acted to push him away, and while it took a while he realized this, and realized just how much she was hurting and needed someone but couldn't bear to seek anyone out. Seeing this, no matter how many times she insisted that she'd cheated on him, or told him about how many orgasms she had, he couldn't let her go. That's not the act of a pathetic man who can't let go of a cheater, that's the firm will of a strong man in love who refuses to give up on helping his beloved no matter how hard the things she's going through or how many times she insists she "doesn't need any help" or "doesn't deserve him".

Also, as for her later confrontation, she begged Ponta to take her to Takigawa's school's culture festival, because she'd wanted to go before all this happened, and she didn't want him to dictate her life any more than he already was. It was bad enough that she couldn't drink her favorite drink anymore (it's the drink he'd drugged) or listen to the piano (which he'd used to lure her to his home), but she wasn't going to skip out on events she looked forward to just because she might run into him. When she spotted him there, she did indeed run after him and pretend to have gotten pregnant and had an abortion, and told him to pay for making her take a life by jumping off the building. This wasn't to "gauge his remorse", but rather just a desire to hurt him. That said, afterward when he told her to press charges, as while he was sure his father would use his money to make it go away it'd still be better than nothing, she slapped him and told him to take proper responsibility through counseling.

Again sorry, but after I found the raws and read them, these statements started to get me mad. Every aspect of the story says the complete opposite of this, and yet people keep blaming the victim. I hope someone picks this up and finishes the translations, because it is indeed a very good story, not one with cheating and forgiveness, but rather tragedy and healing.

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Sorry for the WOT but seriously...

I hate that way of thinking. She didn't "stop" resisting, or not love Ponta enough to keep herself for him. The bastard convinced her that Ponta and she were over due to the suggestive photos he'd sent him, then tortured her psychologically unti ...

She still cheated on Ponta even before the rape. Even if the rape never happened, emotional cheating is still a thing and she does that in spades...which might be part of the reason she blames herself. She thinks she cheated on him because she DID emotionally. She was practically dating her soon-to-be rapist behind Ponta's back. It's also debatable if she would have fully cheated on him if said rape never happened.

Also if this was a story about rape...then why the hell did said rapist get off scott free? Why did the victim not report his ass...instead she continued to be his friend after testing how remorseful he is? That sounds like the kind of fucked up logic used in NTR stories. This story should have been a shoujo or josei...

Kind of a stretch to say she "does it in spades" or that she's "practically dating him". She wasn't interested in him at all. Talking with Takigawa led her to realize a ton of things about her feelings, like reasons she'd held out, how she felt far better accepting and forgiving Ponta's mistakes rather than betraying him, how she wanted to talk with him openly and move forward.

As for why she didn't report him, frankly this is typical of Japanese media and Japan itself. Most victims don't press charges. There's a lot of fear of their being victimized becoming known, having to go through the experience in front of others all over again, having any possible thing that could suggest that she wanted it or consented ripped at. Add to this a fear of bringing shame to oneself or one's family, and it's really rather uncommon for rapists to be actually accused. And it's pretty common to instead have statements like she said, telling him to take responsibility for his own actions. So no, this isn't something "more typical of NTR", this is something just typical in general in manga. Just look at Bitter Virgin, or Naisho no Tsubomi, or the large majority of stories in which someone is raped, molested or otherwise sexually victimized, and you'll almost always find the guy "goes scott-free". Just about the only one I can think of where it doesn't happen that way is the last chapter (single-chapter story) from Kakene Nashi no Love Torihiki, which focuses on the variety of reasons why it's hard for a girl to press charges before finally showing the resolve the girl has in finally deciding to do so.

BTW, I don't know where you got the idea that she wanted to "test his resolve", but that's not at all what she said in the manga. After claiming to have gotten pregnant and had an abortion, and telling him to jump off the roof in payment for making her a "murderer", she told him that she lied because she wanted to HURT him, not test him. There was no test, it was deliberate harassment to try and make him feel at least some pain for his actions.

Also, thought I'd add it here too, but the translators screwed up a crucial line. Chisa did not think "I'm drawn to another man. If only there was room in my heart. What a catastrophe". What she said was "I wanted to have a heart that could be distracted by another man, but that was a total failure". It kind of makes sense that a girl who'd been having so many struggles with the sexual side of her relationship, and whose boyfriend kept going straight for the sexual, even misunderstanding invitations for simple kisses as a desire for more of the same, would struggle with things and worry that the relationship would end up crashing. Feeling this way, she decided to try and force her heart to fall out of love with him, but instead only confirmed clearly to herself that she couldn't love any man but Ponta.

Also, she most certainly did not continue to be Takigawa's friend. She saw him once at the culture festival, which she attended despite knowing she might see him because she didn't want the rape to govern her life, and at the time decided to chase him down, harass him, and ultimately punched him and told him to take responsibility for his actions. Ponta encountered him a few times due to being at the same school, and every encounter was extremely unpleasant for him, and it got even worse when he found out Takigawa was already on his way to getting into a high-end college. This led to a renewed tension in their relationship, he felt inferior in academics and all sorts of other fields, and then had this compounded by the fact that Takigawa was skilled enough to make her climax during sex while he'd never managed that. Without thinking he blurted that out and they ended up very strained for a while, and she even wanted to break up for a bit because it was just too painful to be with someone who knew about all of this (it took him getting hit by Truck-kun for her to realize the idea of not having him in her life is far more painful). So yeah, the rape is a very central point throughout their relationship right up to the end.

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Let's agree to disagree just went back and checked the raw after reading discussion in the form and chis allowed him to have sex with her (I don't think it's rape to be clear) and I don't understand japanese, just saw the panal images and came to conclusion as she allowed hit to do her after he untied her.She had an option to run away from him but chose otherwise, and all psychological you mentioned in your answer are idiotic if you ask me as any women who is assaulted whould fight back and if chance give run from their assaulters or in case the assulter. But she didn't do it or even try to afer he untied her and just accepted it. It's my opinion after going through all raw panels.

As I said in the beginning let's agree to disagree, I am not a person good at debate or arguing online just want to share my opinion as the other person who was commenting inthe forum stopped replying.

Nothing against this manga just wanted to take this out of my system after going through raws again after all this time.

So good day to you even if you disagree.

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Let's agree to disagree just went back and checked the raw after reading discussion in the form and chis allowed him to have sex with her (I don't think it's rape to be clear) and I don't understand japanese, just saw the panal images and came to conclusion as s ...

Take a look at the translations I've recently made with my new group, Chipon. I can assure you the translation is accurate. I added in a bit of a rant because I don't like the misinterpretations, but I hope even without that with the actual translation you can see how thoroughly broken she was by the time Takigawa actually started. And I can tell you, having read further, this's made even clearer later on: after all the psychological torture and sexual abuse, it became too much for her and her mind shut itself off, something that actually happens to victims and leaves them unable to do much of anything besides wait for it to be over.

A word of advice: people say all kinds of nonsense about this series based on a couple images and zero knowledge of the language, but you really shouldn't trust them. For instance:

Some people claimed that Chisa forgave and befriended Takigawa later on. Only the first half is true: she told him that if he got therapy (he himself was sexually abused by his stepmother) she'd forgive him. At the same time she's thinking that she couldn't care less about his well-being, but this could stop him from hurting anyone else. Afterward she tells Ponta that as long as she continues to hate him, he'll have a special little place in her heart where he can pop back out and ruin her day out of nowhere. As such, she decided "forgiving" him was the only way she could truly forget him. She never sees him as a friend or a good person after the rape, she just wants to erase him completely from her life.

Oobaka-san I think you are totally on the spot with all you say. By what has been shown in ch 13, 14 and 15 it gets pretty clear what the story is about.
By the way thank you so much for the translations, its very well done and the story its getting more and more interesting.
Are more chapters coming? are you planing on finishing this series? 🙂)? I hope so!

Oh I'm not stopping. TS and cleaning is currently underway for 17-18, 16 is currently out, and I have translations prepared through the end of volume 5. I intend to at least go through the main, and will probably also do Bangai (though I find Momoko's backstory to be a bit more depressing personally, and that's the main story of that part).