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Actually, MangaFox was good for that, because they enabled HQ on request.

Care to elaborate? I probably missed it, but when did mangafox enable HQ?

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Actually, MangaFox was good for that, because they enabled HQ on request.

Care to elaborate? I probably missed it, but when did mangafox enable HQ?

Ah, I meant to say that groups could ask for releases to be uploaded without compression. They had no problem with that.

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Well, read whatever you want from it then. Copyright law, and Copyright abuse, happen to be a strong passion of mine, and it always amuses me how much hypocrisy there is from both sides of the argument. If you want this to be about you, then...well, by all means, take it that way.

Hmm? I only commented on your misuse of the term "irony", and the fact that you lack justification for feeling insulted by my comment. Do you think your "strong passion" for copyright law justifies that?

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As I said, never read any of his work.

I truly hope so. But the probability is low.

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It doesn't change the fact that both are illegal, and that the Manga industry has issued numerous take downs for their content.

Funny, last time they went after someone, for some reason they chose manga aggregators, not scanlators (remember the scare of ~1.5 years ago?). Could it be that they don't view honest scanlators and for-profit crooks equally, as you allege? Talk about "irony".

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No offense but I can understand how it can be ironic.

US Copyright law required to register so even if you created something it was not Copyrighted until you obtained registration.

Berne Convention on the other hand makes copyright automatic.

Now the irony is here, if anyone claims copyright of their translation they are pretty much doing it based on Berne Convention automatic grant of copyright that is the exact same convention that makes gives the author and/or artist international copyright.

In short, the exact same law can be used to claim copyright of a translation is the exact same law that makes said translation a violation of copyright unless, of course, its not authorized making any so called "legal ground" actually being "legal quick sands".

Of course the irony only applies when someone claims being the "copyright owner" of the translation and were they were granted no such rights, sure you can create a translation but you have no actual legal rights to it.

You might laugh at RIAA but I do say this, I seen how copyright laws are being pushed in the last decades and its certainly not in the user favor ... they might only come after the aggregators so far but then again, do I need to remind you of those words "First they came…"

Be mindful of what you wish because you might get it.

What part of "Please do not put in huge images!" did you fail to understand?

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You might laugh at RIAA but I do say this, I seen how copyright laws are being pushed in the last decades and its certainly not in the user favor ... they might only come after the aggregators so far but then again, do I need to remind you of those words "First they came…"

You're making this sound as if scanlators and aggregators are in the same boat. They aren't.

If the publishing industry comes after everyone (which is unlikely), the scanlators will go deeper underground and lose absolutely nothing. Like 5 and a half leechers come to their sites right now, the same 5 and a half leechers will come to their clandestine IRC channel. Who will lose is the millions of leechers who read scanlations on aggregators. These leechers barely exist for scanlators as it is, if they disappear, scanlators won't even notice. I doubt anyone will shed a single tear if e.g. wolfinthesheep doesn't get his manga fix.

Besides, if a publisher ever tells me they want me to drop something, I'll do it regardless of copyrights and other legal issues. I'm not doing this to obstruct their business. So in a hypothetical fight of publishers vs aggregators, I'd be firmly on the side of the publishers.

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Who will lose is the millions of leechers who read scanlations on aggregators.

You get a point there, and im sadly one of those leechers who read (almost entirely) scanlations, im grateful to everybody who spend money, time, and effort to give me something to read... aggregators vs scnlators?? like somebody say This is the internet and as long as permitted by law will always see someone that takes advantage of another's work until law is applied (i.e. all those post about Copyrigth, Berne conevention etc. etc.) just enjoy while it last ( and i hope this take a long time) but like drakon say is mostly near future when all us leechers will have to go and buy in an official site all manga we wanna read as our only option 😛
Just to be clear i support all scanlations groups and respect their work, so keep working people!

I think the community as a whole will pull through, but not without some losses.
It's the losses that I'm scared of though.....

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I think the best way to tackle this is to beat them at their own game. Scanlation groups should start to have their own manga reader or alliance together and use another online reader site like Batoto to combat against MF. Try to compare MF and Batoto and you will notice big difference. Let's not compare the number of titles that each site has to offer. Let compare the functionality of the website which gives the reader of the best reading experience.

For right now I would say MF did a much better job. In MF, when u move your mouse over to the manga title, description of the manga are revealed in a small pop up box via javascript, instead of having to open that manga page in order to read the description of the manga. The searching in MF is way better, it will display a list of manga title based on the word u type, but batoto searching inside the description which give lots of irrelevant search result. There is too much to say about how MF can beat Batoto hands down easily but then again, don't think that i am MF supporter (i prefer download over online reader), what i am saying is from a reader point of view.

The main point i wanna emphasize here is, can u offer something better than MF? I don't care if u just copy the whole MF style, I don't see anything wrong if u become MF clone. Well, if they can use your scanlation for money making, so why can't u use their website style to beat them? Learn how to use latest online style and make a better reader than MF.

The question is are the alliance of "justice" scanlation groups willing to do that? can u beat them at their own game?

p/s weirdly i don't see both MF and batoto using auto prefetch like Japanzai and Titania Scanlations. but those thing can suck bandwidth like hell. 🤢 Personally i prefer webtoonlive style, all image in one page.

SOLUTION:

Just use a browser add-on like Adblock Plus and just add the site you want to block ads (eg. MangaFox) on to the Filter Options.

That way, people who still want to use online readers can (though I think using your own manga reading program has still far more benefits) and people like Mangafox can't profit off ads anymore.

WIN=/=WIN FOR EVERYBODY