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I think you should review your literacy history then....
shakespear wasn't highly considered when he was alive 😕 ?
-Ben Johnson called him "the wonder of our stage , the soul of our age"
-The Queen herself ordered him some plays

• and of course there is this very famous quote of robert greene "there is an upstart Crow, beautified with our feathers, that with his Tiger's heart wrapped in a Player's hide, supposes he is as well able to bombast out a blank verse as the best of you: and being an absolute Johannes factotum, is in his own conceit the only Shake-scene in a country."
  -You can find many puns in other writer works that mock shakespear .

perhaps i was thinking of someone. hehe I get people confused all time and get things mixed up. plus Im not a literature major so this course was taken long ago so my memory is vague.
I just vaguely remember details on shakespeare, he did write plays for commoners tho correct? or was that someone else?

anyways I dont think rowling can ever compare to shakespeare even tho i dont read much of his works...I can understand how great of a writer shakespeare is. whoever that made that comment is just a HP fanatic.
Honesty, I like HP in that it was entertaining for a while, in the end it was just melodramatic and I only finished reading the series because I felt like after I put so much time (well not really) into reading the first few books, might as well finish the story.

you gotta give it up to Rowling for making such a big success tho. I mean HP is like a multi-million franchise (or is that billion...haha dont know my figures...honestly dont care)

ok, I just want to clarify, I don't think jk rowling will be remembered as fondly as shakspear, i think it was a ridiculous statement, and i am not and never have been a member of the communit party

Hofstadter's Law states that:

It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's law.

no one will EVER compare up to Shakespear unless there is this dude from HIS time that wasnt discovered is the only person that will be ever able to top shakespear. as for JK rowling she will never be able to measure up, but she is a great writer but dramastic over the details. She will be remembered as the writer of HP and ONE, of the great writers of our century time. 😀

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I really don't understand why these kids worship Harry Potter, and also, why did Rowling announce Dumbledore gay....that was like, just disgusting.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/arts/29conn.html

That's not news. And exactly what is so disgusting about it? Take a look at your avatar, it's from a manga with yaoi, which - if you aren't aware - happens to mean a relationship between two males. So would you please either quit being so narrow-minded or learn to keep your prejudiced views to yourself?

Now why don't you try a post that's on topic?

LOL thats funny,

well in my opinion, it doesnt really matter cuz its the future generation thats gona decide whether it was good or not 😛

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I really don't understand why these kids worship Harry Potter, and also, why did Rowling announce Dumbledore gay....that was like, just disgusting.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/arts/29conn.html

That's not news. And exactly what is so disgusting about it? Take a look at your avatar, it's from a manga with yaoi, which - if you aren't aware - happens to mean a relationship between two males. So would you please either quit being so narrow-minded or learn to keep your prejudiced views to yourself?

Now why don't you try a post that's on topic?

well, it is on topic. Pseudopadoz gave quite a nice definition. Harry Potter is a children's book, I always respected that. But Rowling seems to just want attention and money, and she makes this respectable character gay. I have no problem with gay people, but the act of doing so, what does she really want?

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while i do not believe JK Rowling cannot be compare to Shakespear, for one simple reason because they shouldn't even be paired up for comparison in the first place (Shakespear and Rowling and 2 different people of 2 different times, and they wrote books that are hugely different, so what kind of idiot would compare their achievements in the first place o_O), what's the deal with everyone in this thread starts bashing JK Rowling and Harry Potter? while Harry Potter could not be compare to Romeo & Juliet, it's simply because the act of comparing them is stupid in the first place, 'cause both novels were written and produced in different time under different genres........don't use the topic to flame and bash Harrry Potter, because it's still one of the best, well-written children novels in this era......

and for JK Rowling to unveil the truth about Dumbledore being gay, there's nothing "disgusting" about that....does it ever register to your mind that maybe she just want to answer the question of one of her fan during a normal reading session? she didn't hold a press conference and yelled to the world that Dumbledore is gay, did she? why does she needs to keep it a secret, especially when the series has already ended? what if JK Rowling thought that by releasing that fact about Dumbledore, readers would be able to understand why he's still single afterall those years being one of the greatest wizard of all time?.....why does it have to be that she has some hidden agenda to make people more interested in Harry Potter and to attracts more readers? SHE'S ALREADY THE RICHEST WOMAN IN BRITAIN (behind the queen)

i'm really frustrated everytime people start to critisize the way JK Rowling released that info about Dumbledore....even more maddening when they imply that she let out that Dumbledore is gay so she can sell more books.....SHE COULD HAVE THAT INTENTION FROM THE BEGINNING, WHEN SHE STARTED WRITING HARRY POTTER.....DUMBLEDORE IS GAY JUST ACTUALLY GOES BETTER WITH THE STORY, for she didn't included anything from the beginning about Dumbledore's romantic life with a woman......

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In regards to the release of information about Dumbledore... Go back and read every Harry Potter book, particularly noting Dumbledore's relationship with certain female teachers. Then compare that with the bits of the book on Grindelwald.

It's quite clear that her comment was planned after writing several books, it wasn't something she felt like putting in them at the beginning.

However if you go and then look at the interactions between Harry and Dumbledore, and how old Dumbledore was when he and Gindelwald last saw eachother... Yeah its pretty disturbing stuff. It's like throwing in some lolicon + yaoi only for a young adult audience instead of a mature one. That's why people are upset about it.

-_- lol well how could she have known that one of her fans was going to ask her about Dumbledore? 😕

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well, it is on topic. Pseudopadoz gave quite a nice definition. Harry Potter is a children's book, I always respected that. But Rowling seems to just want attention and money, and she makes this respectable character gay. I have no problem with gay people, but the act of doing so, what does she really want?

She has money and is one of the most well-known authors of our time. If you don't mind a person being gay, what does it matter that Dumbledore is gay? Are 'respectable' people not supposed to be that way?

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well, it is on topic. Pseudopadoz gave quite a nice definition. Harry Potter is a children's book, I always respected that. But Rowling seems to just want attention and money, and she makes this respectable character gay. I have no problem with gay people, but the act of doing so, what does she really want?

She has money and is one of the most well-known authors of our time. If you don't mind a person being gay, what does it matter that Dumbledore is gay? Are 'respectable' people not supposed to be that way?

Her act of making the professor gay is her way of getting more attention from the media. I don't know about you but I don't consider that very admirable. It seems like those not so famous celebrities trying to get on the news by purposely getting into some scandalous news. Am I right?

And by the way, I wish you would read my comments more carefully, I never said there's anything wrong with being gay, but her reason of making him so is wrong.

Sounds as if you have a very pessimistically view on the world. There are plenty of respectable people in the world that remains respectable without doing the sort of thing she's doing.

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Ms. Rowling may think of Dumbledore as gay, but there is no reason why anyone else should.

The pure-bloods here are blinded by their pride, but Harry and his friends see something more profound, a threat that goes beyond self-interest and identity. This is why Dumbledore’s supposed gayness is ultimately as unimportant as Ron’s shabby clothes. These wounded outsiders recognize the nature of evil, and finally that is what matters.

As the article stats it self that it doesnt really matter whether he is gay or not. And just because JK Rowling said it, that doesnt mean that she did it to spread more popularity about the books.

"I rebel; therefore I am" - Goblin Kingdom (novel)
"I won’t tell him not to envy, but that man sure is a bag of b*tchery" - Sevens (novel)
"Well… let’s just have some fun with it." - Sevens (novel)

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Ms. Rowling may think of Dumbledore as gay, but there is no reason why anyone else should.

The pure-bloods here are blinded by their pride, but Harry and his friends see something more profound, a threat that goes beyond self-interest and identity. This is why Dumbledore’s supposed gayness is ultimately as unimportant as Ron’s shabby clothes. These wounded outsiders recognize the nature of evil, and finally that is what matters.

As the article stats it self that it doesnt really matter whether he is gay or not. And just because JK Rowling said it, that doesnt mean that she did it to spread more popularity about the books.

What other reason is there? The issue of homosexuality is very very sensitive. It cannot be taken lightly upon, especially not on a children's book. you can't just turn some children's book character gay on your own whim.

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poverty is also a sensitive issue but apparently doesnt seem to be true for u, plus a lot of kids (in north america especially) know about gay ppl and most of them, i might add, learn from the closed minded ppl of society.

"I rebel; therefore I am" - Goblin Kingdom (novel)
"I won’t tell him not to envy, but that man sure is a bag of b*tchery" - Sevens (novel)
"Well… let’s just have some fun with it." - Sevens (novel)

Mmm... Shakespeare is more of fine arts while Harry Potter is just a good story. Even though they spoke differently in the time of Shakespeare, it's not like they talked in rhymes and puns. The plot, characters, words and everything else are also all very symbolic of the theme Shakespeare creates which tend to be a bit deeper than the "power of love" theme. Therefore, I don't believe JK Rowling and Shakespeare will ever be seen the same way.

In regards to the Dumbledore is gay argument, it's true that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, or at least in North America and other countries that aren't like Iran. Still, it is a little strange to have it in a book that is supposed to be suitable for young children. It was never explicitly implied in the book, although mature readers might be able to speculate... it might have been better left that way.

As for J. K. Rowling wanting more money and stuff... I think I would agree on that. Too many news articles showed up with her suing some non-profit group for the use of Harry Potter for large sums of money. One time, it was when a group for a religious culture festival recreated Hogwarts Castle, and another time was a online database/encyclopedia on Harry Potter, which was praised by Rowling in the past. Then there are those limited quantity books sold for millions of dollars each. Of course, this has nothing to do with the quality of the story itself. And these are just my personal thoughts on the matter based on what I've seen.

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well, it is on topic. Pseudopadoz gave quite a nice definition. Harry Potter is a children's book, I always respected that. But Rowling seems to just want attention and money, and she makes this respectable character gay. I have no problem with gay people, but the act of doing so, what does she really want?

She has money and is one of the most well-known authors of our time. If you don't mind a person being gay, what does it matter that Dumbledore is gay? Are 'respectable' people not supposed to be that way?

If everyone was gay it is a scientific fact that the human race would naturally die out.

So the first assumption is that being gay is not a norm for humans (or any organisms for that matter.) There is nothing wrong for people who are inclined to others of the same sex, however that does not make it right to -promote- it. Especially promoting it to children who are in a very sensitive time of their life. Hell the more people that become homosexual means less competition for me, but looking out for the future of the human race I'd say its best that being attracted to the same sex doesn't become the norm.

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-_- lol well how could she have known that one of her fans was going to ask her about Dumbledore? 😕

The question that I'd ask is not how could she have known that... But more along the lines of, "Why would someone ask that after the seventh book, when the question would be far more prudent earlier in the series when Dumbledore was a main character and clearly 'alone'?"

I would have less questions if someone had asked earlier on. I have a sinking suspicion she was asked but declined to comment until she knew it wouldn't affect sales negatively.

I'd like to see if it affects the movie sales actually.