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Quote from woxxy

I agree with all you say, bro.

But come back when you're a scanlator and actually know what you're saying.

Love this line of logic, do you also think you can't say a manga's bad because you're not a mangaka?

You do know that it's the readers that decide if a manga is bad or not, right? It's like having a product. The users decide if it's bad or not. What woxxy said that if you don't know a shit about scanlation, don't show your ignorance by spouting out stupidity. I'm quite sure he said that...in a much nicer way.

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Hm... that's some silly stuff you're spouting there Jigero(not just the quoted part 😛 ). What if scanlators were to pick up that "Who the F*** cares?" motto and just release LQ chapters, or worse nothing at all? What would you read then?

You missed my point, My point was bitching and getting mad about a site that does not effect you or your fans at all in any negative way. then proceeding to take it out on your fans is just retarded.

Sigh...you are the one who's missing the point. First it does affect us all. Second the one who's mostly affected is the mangaka. Now you tell me how you can be totally in don't care mode when someone else beside the mangaka gets money for the mangaka's work? You know not every mangaka is like Naruto's mangaka and earning nicely on their manga. sigh...how retarded to not even see that.

Speaking as a scanlator i can only say that i don't give a rat's ass about the money earning part, I've got plenty of income from my own job for that. The thing that pisses me off is that we work our asses off and sometimes spend hours on a single chapter just to get it out nice and clean and then we barely get any thanks from the fans cause they use an online reader and don't even bother visiting our website.

Again who cares, You have your loyal fans, you have people who come to your site. The people who use mangafox don't effect you negatively in the slightest. If anything it makes more people aware of your work and who may eventually start visiting your site after they become more aware.

Oh but it does...specially when they start thinking that it's mangafox who actually scanlates the titles. I'm sure you've seen the posts for more chapters and thanks to mangafox...if not you have surely been blind.

So in the end we work for free to bring you guys all your favorite mangas in as good a quality as possible and the manga readers get all the fans posting on their forums and all the cash revenue made from the ads. That just sucks.

Who cares how they view your work, if they want to view it that way let them it's their loss not yours. Does Adobe come to your house and take away your copy of Photoshop because you're using it to clean illegal scans of manga instead of editing photos like it was intended or even complain about it?

**Again with the same crap. We do not lose any money, the mangaka does when someone else is earning big bucks on it. Can you really not see that or are you just trying to be an idiot? (yes, my statement about you being a troll starting to fit better and better)
Adobe earned money on my version of PS, and no they don't care cuz they are getting money. lolz
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We're not in it for the hundreds and thousands of fans, we're not in it for the money, we're not in it for any other reason than releasing manga that nobody else would release like we do.

If that's true, then you have nothing to complain about.

**I am in for hundred and thousands of fans. I feel great with having them go "Omg you are god" so yes it affects my god complex. Problem is when the mangaka stop doing the shit because the mangaka sees others earning money on their work. It makes them emo and they stop the shit. That affects my god complex 😢 **

Oh, and another thing... don't badmouth us about this when you're probably fully aware that you wouldn't like somebody else stealing your work just to profit from it. Nobody likes that. Deny it and you would only be a hypocrite.

But your idea of "stealing work" is like a burglar complaining that another burglar stole the stuff he stole and then fenced it.

my idea of "stealing work" as a graphic designer is literal money out of my pocket. So sorry I can't sympathize with you.

Sure not getting thanked is regrettable but then again who cares, your doing this for your fans, who will thank you and your fans aren't the ones who are passing off your work as their own.

**I kinda agree here. There's no stealing in scanlation. There's only waste of resources if two groups pick up the same title. That example was bad. It should be like this: You wouldn't like your favorite mangaka do suicide because they can't feed themselves while the ones who put up the scanlations on their mangareader just nicely earn big bucks without doing shit.

btw...I got fans? I was quite sure that it was mangafox that had fans on the series we do. The ones who come and visit us are...no one? T.T**

Quote from Kittycat101

I dont agree with groups punishing fans either, but mangafox shouldnt be allowed to exist. theyre basically profiting off tons of mangakas works! that's what is irritating. it gives the whole scene a bad name. like we're taking authors work and making a profit.when the internet popularity of anime and manga is what got it to its fame here in the states in the first place. No group wants their work contributing to that. Admittedly, what scanlation groups do isnt really legal, at least we dont profit off of it.

I'm pretty sure the Mangaka would find scanlators just as damnable as mangafox. also there are plenty of Scanlators that make money off ad revenue on their sites and ask for donations or do commissions.

no no mangaka would mostly find mangafox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanlators in this kinda of stuff. Though I agree the ones who ask for commissions should be killed. The donations I would find okay if they show how much they get and what they use it to (mangarelated things like buying new raws)

Quote from T1

To the Jigoro troll who posted like 2 posts in total...say what?! 2 posts, lolz

I love how people think "oh some one has an opinion I don't like there for they are a troll"

Also really? Using post count to legitimatize some ones argument? do you also plug your ears and scream "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" when ever some one proves you wrong too?

*4 posts!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL DAMMIT ONLY 4 POSTS! Lemme guess you joined mangaupdates the base for all manga releases, only after someone bitched about this post on mangafox where you usually hang around. You then decided to check it out, saw this stuff and went "WUUUUUUUUUUT, I TROLL!!"? Please, nearly all of us can see where you are coming from. Oh btw before I plug my ears "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" can you show me that you're proving me wrong in anything? **

To the site-admin...or was it site-mod: Please stop acting like a typical leecher, it's embarrassing. No, we know that scanlating is illegal. The difference is that we do not earn anything on it. If anyone should earn on it, it should be the mangaka, right? That is what we are bitching about. That there's someone out there earning on what we do for free.
My group got no donation button on our site. I'm against all form of earning money on someone elses work. Our work on each and every chapter is: We clean, we translate and put in the text. We release and let people who can't enjoy the manga because they can't Japanese be able to enjoy it.
Saying that this is how the world works only shows the people doing it that it's alright because you aren't fighting back and just give up. That's the same as putting you down and just waiting to die...that's just to sad 😢

If this was a murder investigation, and the mangaka was the victim, Scanlators would be screaming to the cops " WE ONLY SHOT HIM IN THE GUT, MANGAFOX WAS THE ONES WHO KILLED HIM I'M INNOCENT RIGHT!?"

If you really care about the mangaka some much STOP SCANNING THEIR WORK.

Don't get me wrong I really appreciate the work you guys do, just stop pretending your some kinda modern day robin hood absolved of doing anything wrong, because you're not. You're an evil just a necessary one.

**I'm no Robin Hood. I'm god...I refer to my god complex from before.
I do think that everyone over here got you wrong. We don't see that you really appreciate the work we do, really we can't. If you do then you either can't see where we find this shit going wrong or you are one of those who earns money on uploading free scanlations on manga online readers.
Notice your own last sentence: You're an evil just a necessary one.
I mean seriously do you really appreciate what we do or do you act like this with everything you do? Like when mummy bought you the toy you wanted so much then instead of saying thanks you looked at your mother and said: You're an evil just a necessary one.

Still I agree with you there. We are no Robin Hood, we never were. THE SHIT YOU DON'T GET IS WHAT WE DO NOT EARN MONEY ON THE MANGAKA'S WORK, MANGAFOX DO!!!
sigh...why can't you get it? It's like you read the whole shit, take out what you want and then troll at it without getting anything people are saying. You know that's a troll. 😉

Oh and another thing you are right about I should scanlating their work. Like I said before, I'm not losing anything. Japanese exam on wednesday, heh.
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Stop thinking that if one scanlator group dies then another can take over. Stop thinking that we will find in whatever you throw in our heads. Stop thinking that the title will eventually get picked up. Stop thinking we will continue scanlating manga for you when you never visit us and give of any gratitude. It just doesn't work that way...it never did.

So go ahead and stop, no one is telling you not to, your obviously scanning for the wrong reasons. If your just gonna have a hissy fit because of something that doesn't directly effect you and abandon and piss off your loyal fans, what the hell are you doing here?

This is a hobby bro not a job, I build Gundam models because I like it and it helps me waste time, I don't do it so all my friends will praise me and think I'll all cool cause I paint really well, and I don't quit doing it just because a couple people didn't complement me on them. If you're just doing this to get praise and internet notoriety and your not enjoying it just quit man.

**I sooooo would but you see "no one" is telling me to continue. There's like 50-200 of them depending on what I release. Now if you can take over for me, I would stop immediately.

This hasn't been a hobby for a long time now...so please find someone to take up every of our series (well I can end some though) cuz then I would stop~

Please don't compare building Gundam Models with this. I bet you make them to tell yourself how grand you are to own a Gundam albeit a small one.

Why I am doing it? Again I refer to my god complex...but god can't live on that alone...you are right. I just hope it's not a title that you read, lol. Still I guess it's cool we can always have people like you taking up the titles we drop...lulz
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The bold in the quote are comments to your total 4 posts since you know I like to close my ears and go scream "LALALALALALALALA", LOLOLOLZ

Edit: I just want to write this cuz I read the next comment you wrote...so 3 out of 4 here, lol.

Dude...in the end you still end up reading our shit. You rather have no help than the help we give you? Try stopping reading the title of each and every group that complains about mangafox. Then you would find out how few groups who's help you actually want.

Now to the shit you still don't get.

THE MANGA IS LOSING EVERY LITTLE CENT THAT MANGAFOX EARNS ON MANGA SCANLATIONS LET IT BE ADD OR NO ADD.

Anyone earning money on the mangaka's work let it be online readers, scanlators or the store at the corner, is taking money from the mangaka if the manga isn't agreeing to it.

The problem with your head... I kinda figured it out and it only took 3 posts (out of your total 4) is that you can't see the problem in mangafox earning money and find it damn okay they that do that.
So let me put it so you get it...hopefully:

We: Free aka no money earned in the end
Mangafox: Seems free but not aka lots of money earned by the end of the day

Now...we take something from the author and make it free for others. I agree it's quite bad...I mean the mangaka could earn money on something we are sharing for free. I agree there.
But...mangafox takes that something free which was taken from the author and earn money on it. The mangaka gets nada! zero!

Getting where I'm going? Like you said we shoot in the gut right?....no that's not entirely true but let's go with the example. We shoot the mangaka in the leg making them bleed, mangafox just cut of their heads and eat them alive.

Still I'm happy you have opened my eyes. There's no need for watermarks anymore. I should just quit because it's because of me and my follow scanlators in this community that mangafox is earning money and thus we are indirectly hurting the mangaka by letting others than the mangaka earn money on their work, let it be via add or not. Thanks for that dude. It took you 4 posts to show me that but I have to say that those 3 posts you made were given out good. 😃

from what i understand of Jigero is saying, people will just do what they want?
and we shouldnt give a shit about it.

i think the same should be said about scanlator than, scanlator should do what they want and dont give a shit. IE it ok to watermark the hell out of the page because leecher can do what they want.

honestly more groups should have their own freedom and stop bending over to leechers and fan that will just cry and complain about their work. god sake it a hobby that scanlator do, if you dont want it to be watermark, or look at some eye bleeding crap than buy the manga, rip it, scan it, replace all the text yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPNDqAF03V8

Arch, I have to agree that you sound damn cool.

We should stop giving them a chance to deal with it since they rather talk shit about us than do something about it.

If they really want it without their eyes bleeding they just have to do something about it themselves...hmmm...I like that 🤣

/me feels that the god complex goes to a higher note here

Quote from T1

You do know that it's the readers that decide if a manga is bad or not, right? It's like having a product. The users decide if it's bad or not. What woxxy said that if you don't know a shit about scanlation, don't show your ignorance by spouting out stupidity. I'm quite sure he said that...in a much nicer way.

Oh yes, how droll of me to ever hope to think that I could ever comment on such an insurmountable skill such as yours, with your slightly above average Photoshop knowledge and your vast understanding of the Japanese language thanks to that 8 week course you took. How could a lowly leecher such as my self dare speak on such matters

Sigh...you are the one who's missing the point. First it does affect us all. Second the one who's mostly affected is the mangaka. Now you tell me how you can be totally in don't care mode when someone else beside the mangaka gets money for the mangaka's work? You know not every mangaka is like Naruto's mangaka and earning nicely on their manga. sigh...how retarded to not even see that.

Okay how does it affect you? because so far you have yet to come up with a single reason let alone a legitimate one.

again you seem to lack and foreknowledge beyond "WELL THEY ARE MAKING MONEY SO THERE FOR IT MOST BE HURTING SOME ONE!"

You act like mangafox is the only place on the entire internet to get scanlations and their aren't 5000 other sites including your own where it's just as easy to obtain scanlations. Also that money their making is not coming from people who would buy the mangaka's manga so I dunno how you came up with this inane logic that it's money being stolen from the mangaka. Can you tell me how many copies of manga Google Ads isn't buying due to mangafox because I would love to see those numbers?

Oh but it does...specially when they start thinking that it's mangafox who actually scanlates the titles. I'm sure you've seen the posts for more chapters and thanks to mangafox...if not you have surely been blind.

Oh but it doesn't you just think it does, because you lack the ability to just say "whatever, such is life on the internet."

So in the end we work for free to bring you guys all your favorite mangas in as good a quality as possible and the manga readers get all the fans posting on their forums and all the cash revenue made from the ads. That just sucks.

There you go "WORK" and this is why you shouldn't be doing this, like I said bro. chill man and have fun, this ain't work.

**Again with the same crap. We do not lose any money, the mangaka does when someone else is earning big bucks on it. Can you really not see that or are you just trying to be an idiot? (yes, my statement about you being a troll starting to fit better and better)
Adobe earned money on my version of PS, and no they don't care cuz they are getting money. lolz
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So I'm the troll, even though you have called me retarded, an idiot, and dismissed my arguments solely on my post count.

and again, the money they make DOES NOT<----- (see this note this please), come from the people who are potential customers of the manga, therefore even if mangafox wasn't making this money, the Mangaka wouldn't be getting it anyways.

**I am in for hundred and thousands of fans. I feel great with having them go "Omg you are god" so yes it affects my god complex. Problem is when the mangaka stop doing the shit because the mangaka sees others earning money on their work. It makes them emo and they stop the shit. That affects my god complex 😢 **

I've yet to see a mangaka quit making manga just because of mangafox, Only cry baby scanlators who stop scanlating because of their irrational attitudes to things that don't and shouldn't effect them.

**I kinda agree here. There's no stealing in scanlation. There's only waste of resources if two groups pick up the same title. That example was bad. It should be like this: You wouldn't like your favorite mangaka do suicide because they can't feed themselves while the ones who put up the scanlations on their mangareader just nicely earn big bucks without doing shit.

btw...I got fans? I was quite sure that it was mangafox that had fans on the series we do. The ones who come and visit us are...no one? T.T**

But your scanlations would be the reason they go hungry, not mangafox, Mangafox can't make money with out your scanlations. Also even with out manga fox your still the source of the problem.

no no mangaka would mostly find mangafox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanlators in this kinda of stuff. Though I agree the ones who ask for commissions should be killed. The donations I would find okay if they show how much they get and what they use it to (mangarelated things like buying new raws)

Funny because I've seen plenty of pleas from Mangakas and Licensors to ask scanlators to stop, but none of them ever said anything about mangafox

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*4 posts!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL DAMMIT ONLY 4 POSTS! Lemme guess you joined mangaupdates the base for all manga releases, only after someone bitched about this post on mangafox where you usually hang around. You then decided to check it out, saw this stuff and went "WUUUUUUUUUUT, I TROLL!!"? Please, nearly all of us can see where you are coming from. Oh btw before I plug my ears "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" can you show me that you're proving me wrong in anything? **

Oh yes that's right I had an account on here for almost 3 years just to wait for the day to come troll scanlators and since I only have 4 posts I must know nothing about anything. deary me.

But no actually I rarely use mangafox, But why do I need to prove you wrong, your already doing a great job proving my point for me.

**I'm no Robin Hood. I'm god...I refer to my god complex from before.
I do think that everyone over here got you wrong. We don't see that you really appreciate the work we do, really we can't. If you do then you either can't see where we find this shit going wrong or you are one of those who earns money on uploading free scanlations on manga online readers.
Notice your own last sentence: You're an evil just a necessary one.
I mean seriously do you really appreciate what we do or do you act like this with everything you do? Like when mummy bought you the toy you wanted so much then instead of saying thanks you looked at your mother and said: You're an evil just a necessary one.

Still I agree with you there. We are no Robin Hood, we never were. THE SHIT YOU DON'T GET IS WHAT WE DO NOT EARN MONEY ON THE MANGAKA'S WORK, MANGAFOX DO!!!
sigh...why can't you get it? It's like you read the whole shit, take out what you want and then troll at it without getting anything people are saying. You know that's a troll. 😉

Oh and another thing you are right about I should scanlating their work. Like I said before, I'm not losing anything. Japanese exam on wednesday, heh.
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again YOU ARE THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM, But go ahead you can try to justify your illegal actions all you want, but it doesn't make them any less illegal.

[b]I sooooo would but you see "no one" is telling me to continue. There's like 50-200 of them depending on what I release. Now if you can take over for me, I would stop immediately.

This hasn't been a hobby for a long time now...so please find someone to take up every of our series (well I can end some though) cuz then I would stop~

Please don't compare building Gundam Models with this. I bet you make them to tell yourself how grand you are to own a Gundam albeit a small one.

Hahahahaha love this, personal insults how cute, and I'm the troll? adorable!

Why I am doing it? Again I refer to my god complex...but god can't live on that alone...you are right. I just hope it's not a title that you read, lol. Still I guess it's cool we can always have people like you taking up the titles we drop...lulz

So your forcing your self to do some thing you do some thing you don't like. Then proceed to bitch about it to win sympathy. Cool logic bro.

The bold in the quote are comments to your total 4 posts since you know I like to close my ears and go scream "LALALALALALALALA", LOLOLOLZ

Edit: I just want to write this cuz I read the next comment you wrote...so 3 out of 4 here, lol.

Dude...in the end you still end up reading our shit. You rather have no help than the help we give you? Try stopping reading the title of each and every group that complains about mangafox. Then you would find out how few groups who's help you actually want.

Hox and Hobo-1 don't, they do great work, they're fast, and don't bitch on forums all day about leechers. Heck hobo-1 used to upload directly to mangafox and he doesn't even put credits pages in his uploads. and I respect the them far more then just about every scanlator on here.

The ones who doesn't demand respect are the most respected, The one who do are the least.

Now to the shit you still don't get.

THE MANGA IS LOSING EVERY LITTLE CENT THAT MANGAFOX EARNS ON MANGA SCANLATIONS LET IT BE ADD OR NO ADD.

Anyone earning money on the mangaka's work let it be online readers, scanlators or the store at the corner, is taking money from the mangaka if the manga isn't agreeing to it.

Again NO IT DOESN'T, and if your bitching about taking away money STOP SCANLATING!

The problem with your head... I kinda figured it out and it only took 3 posts (out of your total 4) is that you can't see the problem in mangafox earning money and find it damn okay they that do that.
So let me put it so you get it...hopefully:

We: Free aka no money earned in the end
Mangafox: Seems free but not aka lots of money earned by the end of the day

haha more insults again! YAY!

let me make this simple.
You: take away money from the mangaka not matter if mangafox existed or not.
Mangafox: earns money that is entirely unrelated to money that would be going to the mangaka.

Now...we take something from the author and make it free for others. I agree it's quite bad...I mean the mangaka could earn money on something we are sharing for free. I agree there.
But...mangafox takes that something free which was taken from the author and earn money on it. The mangaka gets nada! zero!

but the mangaka wouldn't get that money even if mangafox didn't exist, Google Ads doesn't not shell out money to mangakas.

Getting where I'm going? Like you said we shoot in the gut right?....no that's not entirely true but let's go with the example. We shoot the mangaka in the leg making them bleed, mangafox just cut of their heads and eat them alive.

Naw bro you're doing both, mangafox is just making money off it.

Still I'm happy you have opened my eyes. There's no need for watermarks anymore. I should just quit because it's because of me and my follow scanlators in this community that mangafox is earning money and thus we are indirectly hurting the mangaka by letting others than the mangaka earn money on their work, let it be via add or not. Thanks for that dude. It took you 4 posts to show me that but I have to say that those 3 posts you made were given out good. 😃

Well just glad I could help broseph 😀

Jigero, you sound so bitter and hysterical, that one might think you consider yourself one of those "loyal fans" let down by scanlators. Let me dispel that misunderstanding for you: you aren't. Loyal fans understand the scanlator position perfectly and are willing to support them all the way. Which is why scanlation still exists.

Anyway, it might be hard for you understand, since you've never done anything good for other people in your life, but fairness is one of the fundamental values of human society. If anyone is unfairly taking advantage of their society, the other members will start taking action -- it's wired into the human brain together with altruism, which the scanlators have displayed a ton of. If a leecher acts like a spoiled child and won't take even the minimal steps needed to help the situation, then it's merely some kind of a brain disorder or a mutation. They deserve our sympathy, but not serious consideration.

To return to the topic, there are a couple of changes coming in the manga community that should make sites like mangafox redundant. Given the appropriate cooperation from the fans (not counting on embittered hysterical leechers like Jigero though), things should start moving in the right direction. But if, contrary to my expectations, that doesn't happen, I will most likely quit translating my current 13 series. I can keep reading the manga without enriching someone who doesn't deserve it. But don't take it as a threat, it's really a plan of action.

Active translations list
Completed translations list
Dropped translations

which is why i, as a cleaner/typesetter look up to translator quite a lot...
if you could already read manga...why bother to translate for people, that don't even give a shit about what you do. Aside from the handful of people that say their thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPNDqAF03V8

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Jigero, you sound so bitter and hysterical, that one might think you consider yourself one of those "loyal fans" let down by scanlators. Let me dispel that misunderstanding for you: you aren't. Loyal fans understand the scanlator position perfectly and are willing to support them all the way. Which is why scanlation still exists.

Anyway, it might be hard for you understand, since you've never done anything good for other people in your life, but fairness is one of the fundamental values of human society. If anyone is unfairly taking advantage of their society, the other members will start taking action -- it's wired into the human brain together with altruism, which the scanlators have displayed a ton of. If a leecher acts like a spoiled child and won't take even the minimal steps needed to help the situation, then it's merely some kind of a brain disorder or a mutation. They deserve our sympathy, but not serious consideration.

To return to the topic, there are a couple of changes coming in the manga community that should make sites like mangafox redundant. Given the appropriate cooperation from the fans (not counting on embittered hysterical leechers like Jigero though), things should start moving in the right direction. But if, contrary to my expectations, that doesn't happen, I will most likely quit translating my current 13 series. I can keep reading the manga without enriching someone who doesn't deserve it. But don't take it as a threat, it's really a plan of action.

yep but what people like Jigero doesn't get is that people are leaving and not as many are joining. The thing that most hurt any scanlation title is when the translator leaves. cmertb, like yourself, translators these days translate more than 5 series pr translator. When one gets enough then those series dies. Even if some get saved there's the rest.

I understand your need for quitting, it's understandable if people think like Jigero and support the manga online readers instead of supporting the scanlation group who scanlates their manga.
Still no matter what you choose, I still want to thank you for all the titles I've read with your name on. It's been a pleasure for me to read them while not knowing Japanese (specially in the past.)

Jigero, I kinda didnt read all the stuff you wrote but your main point is: Chill dude it's for fun, not work so quit it if you find it tiring right? Cool~ I was wrong about you. You are thinking about my health instead of getting your manga. Dude, you really need to work on your talking gift to carry on your feelings in the message you give. I just thought you were a leecher who just kept leeching and leeching and leeching and then suddenly decided to troll here. My bad, bro.

Edit:
PS: 8 week course? What kind of crappy country do you live in? I'm taking classes at university. -_-;;;; Going for next level to read seinen...since you don't know that's titles where you read without furigana meaning titles that aren't naruto and bleach 😉

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Jigero, you sound so bitter and hysterical, that one might think you consider yourself one of those "loyal fans" let down by scanlators. Let me dispel that misunderstanding for you: you aren't. Loyal fans understand the scanlator position perfectly and are willing to support them all the way. Which is why scanlation still exists.

Nope I'm not a true fan, not for scanlators like T1 anways, who think all their true fans are the enemy and demands respect from his mindless sheep. But I am a true fan of the Scanlators that don't resort to acting like irrational children just because they feel like it and don't rage quit because some one left them a negative comment.

Anyway, it might be hard for you understand, since you've never done anything good for other people in your life, but fairness is one of the fundamental values of human society. If anyone is unfairly taking advantage of their society, the other members will start taking action -- it's wired into the human brain together with altruism, which the scanlators have displayed a ton of. If a leecher acts like a spoiled child and won't take even the minimal steps needed to help the situation, then it's merely some kind of a brain disorder or a mutation. They deserve our sympathy, but not serious consideration.

See now here's the logical fallacy no one is being a taken advantage of, being taken advantage of requires person A to lose some thing at the cost of person B's gain. But as I've established, no ones is losing anything and this gain they are all complaining about. Is entirely unrelated to any loss their irrational minds can think up.

Also Scanlators are the last people to be complaining about taking advantage of people seeing as how their entire hobby revolves around taking advantage of a person.

To return to the topic, there are a couple of changes coming in the manga community that should make sites like mangafox redundant. Given the appropriate cooperation from the fans (not counting on embittered hysterical leechers like Jigero though), things should start moving in the right direction. But if, contrary to my expectations, that doesn't happen, I will most likely quit translating my current 13 series. I can keep reading the manga without enriching someone who doesn't deserve it. But don't take it as a threat, it's really a plan of action.

like I said if you're just gonna quit over some thing so stupid, then go for it, I'm not forcing you or requesting you no to.

heck I'd welcome it if the only scanlators left are just the ones who love doing it, even if it was only a handful of them left.

[quote=Jigero]

Quote from T1

You do know that it's the readers that decide if a manga is bad or not, right? It's like having a product. The users decide if it's bad or not. What woxxy said that if you don't know a shit about scanlation, don't show your ignorance by spouting out stupidity. I'm quite sure he said that...in a much nicer way.

Oh yes, how droll of me to ever hope to think that I could ever comment on such an insurmountable skill such as yours, with your slightly above average Photoshop knowledge and your vast understanding of the Japanese language thanks to that 8 week course you took. How could a lowly leecher such as my self dare speak on such matters

Indeed how could you! How dare you?! If you are near this god then show me with your tl skills or editing skills! Well you should show me with your life too but a dude who finds ntr titles to be good.....I don't think there's much worth there.

Sigh...you are the one who's missing the point. First it does affect us all. Second the one who's mostly affected is the mangaka. Now you tell me how you can be totally in don't care mode when someone else beside the mangaka gets money for the mangaka's work? You know not every mangaka is like Naruto's mangaka and earning nicely on their manga. sigh...how retarded to not even see that.

Okay how does it affect you? because so far you have yet to come up with a single reason let alone a legitimate one.

again you seem to lack and foreknowledge beyond "WELL THEY ARE MAKING MONEY SO THERE FOR IT MOST BE HURTING SOME ONE!"

You act like mangafox is the only place on the entire internet to get scanlations and their aren't 5000 other sites including your own where it's just as easy to obtain scanlations. Also that money their making is not coming from people who would buy the mangaka's manga so I dunno how you came up with this inane logic that it's money being stolen from the mangaka. Can you tell me how many copies of manga Google Ads isn't buying due to mangafox because I would love to see those numbers?

Again you are being retarded. My hate for humankind is unlimited. Mangafox is the biggest! The other's arent better at all. If you earn money on manga without being the mangaka then you are crap. Again, you are crap.

Oh but it does...specially when they start thinking that it's mangafox who actually scanlates the titles. I'm sure you've seen the posts for more chapters and thanks to mangafox...if not you have surely been blind.

Oh but it doesn't you just think it does, because you lack the ability to just say "whatever, such is life on the internet."

Indeed if I had that ability I would just keep watermarking the releases like I did once....LOL THE SCREAMS FROM RETARDS! I loved every second of it. Everyone were screaming, stop this shit blablablabla...I guess you want me in not caring mode again xD Wait...that may be what you may be implying from the start. That instead of whining and bitching we should just do whatever we want to do with the scans, right?

So in the end we work for free to bring you guys all your favorite mangas in as good a quality as possible and the manga readers get all the fans posting on their forums and all the cash revenue made from the ads. That just sucks.

There you go "WORK" and this is why you shouldn't be doing this, like I said bro. chill man and have fun, this ain't work.

Indeed, work is never fun.

**Again with the same crap. We do not lose any money, the mangaka does when someone else is earning big bucks on it. Can you really not see that or are you just trying to be an idiot? (yes, my statement about you being a troll starting to fit better and better)
Adobe earned money on my version of PS, and no they don't care cuz they are getting money. lolz
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So I'm the troll, even though you have called me retarded, an idiot, and dismissed my arguments solely on my post count.

and again, the money they make DOES NOT<----- (see this note this please), come from the people who are potential customers of the manga, therefore even if mangafox wasn't making this money, the Mangaka wouldn't be getting it anyways.

**Again you make the same point as you did the last 3 times. I'm saying that it's wrong to earn money on the mangaka's work. Are you telling me that it's okay cuz you know...the mangaka wouldn't get any money in the end, so if the scanlator took money or the mangareader then it's fine? I hope not. Let's not try to make the gray area of illegal or legal to totally illegal but earning on someone else's work, k? **

**I am in for hundred and thousands of fans. I feel great with having them go "Omg you are god" so yes it affects my god complex. Problem is when the mangaka stop doing the shit because the mangaka sees others earning money on their work. It makes them emo and they stop the shit. That affects my god complex 😢 **

I've yet to see a mangaka quit making manga just because of mangafox, Only cry baby scanlators who stop scanlating because of their irrational attitudes to things that don't and shouldn't effect them.

**Ahhh...but they are crying! Well this isn't a mangaka but a manwhaka so I dunno if it counts for you. Try asking The Breakers's author why he's bitching that much about scanlation. I hope you've heard of it if not then...you probably don't even care about that. Ken akumetsu and other mangaka cried out too about their titles too.
Oh Oh I just remembered one that stopped because of scanlations. The mangaka of Shina Dark, he refused to continue this series because of scanlations. It was either him or the author. Who knows how many scanlators killed so far. Of course I call them idiots too for doing it. If a mangaka came to me and told me he would stop doing a manga if we didn't drop it I would drop it. I rather have him finish it and then later buy in japanese then just kill him off, make him emo and then suicide.
There goes your crybaby scanlator theory...find a new one 😉
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**I kinda agree here. There's no stealing in scanlation. There's only waste of resources if two groups pick up the same title. That example was bad. It should be like this: You wouldn't like your favorite mangaka do suicide because they can't feed themselves while the ones who put up the scanlations on their mangareader just nicely earn big bucks without doing shit.

btw...I got fans? I was quite sure that it was mangafox that had fans on the series we do. The ones who come and visit us are...no one? T.T**

But your scanlations would be the reason they go hungry, not mangafox, Mangafox can't make money with out your scanlations. Also even with out manga fox your still the source of the problem.

** again...if they find the manga on mangafox first then they will think that it comes from that place.
When I started japanese there were these people who actually thought that they were from mangareader, going: "I wonder when mangareader will release the next chapter of negima." Yes, I did facepalm.**

no no mangaka would mostly find mangafox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanlators in this kinda of stuff. Though I agree the ones who ask for commissions should be killed. The donations I would find okay if they show how much they get and what they use it to (mangarelated things like buying new raws)

Funny because I've seen plenty of pleas from Mangakas and Licensors to ask scanlators to stop, but none of them ever said anything about mangafox

**No because they took down One Manga instead: http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/07/breaking-scanlation-giant-one-manga-is-shutting-down/ Again notice who scanlated the manga and who the population think scanlated it **

Quote from T1

*4 posts!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL DAMMIT ONLY 4 POSTS! Lemme guess you joined mangaupdates the base for all manga releases, only after someone bitched about this post on mangafox where you usually hang around. You then decided to check it out, saw this stuff and went "WUUUUUUUUUUT, I TROLL!!"? Please, nearly all of us can see where you are coming from. Oh btw before I plug my ears "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" can you show me that you're proving me wrong in anything? **

Oh yes that's right I had an account on here for almost 3 years just to wait for the day to come troll scanlators and since I only have 4 posts I must know nothing about anything. deary me.

But no actually I rarely use mangafox, But why do I need to prove you wrong, your already doing a great job proving my point for me.

Sure you do not. I know I'm doing a great job, thanks for the compliment^^

**I'm no Robin Hood. I'm god...I refer to my god complex from before.
I do think that everyone over here got you wrong. We don't see that you really appreciate the work we do, really we can't. If you do then you either can't see where we find this shit going wrong or you are one of those who earns money on uploading free scanlations on manga online readers.
Notice your own last sentence: You're an evil just a necessary one.
I mean seriously do you really appreciate what we do or do you act like this with everything you do? Like when mummy bought you the toy you wanted so much then instead of saying thanks you looked at your mother and said: You're an evil just a necessary one.

Still I agree with you there. We are no Robin Hood, we never were. THE SHIT YOU DON'T GET IS WHAT WE DO NOT EARN MONEY ON THE MANGAKA'S WORK, MANGAFOX DO!!!
sigh...why can't you get it? It's like you read the whole shit, take out what you want and then troll at it without getting anything people are saying. You know that's a troll. 😉

Oh and another thing you are right about I should scanlating their work. Like I said before, I'm not losing anything. Japanese exam on wednesday, heh.
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again YOU ARE THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM, But go ahead you can try to justify your illegal actions all you want, but it doesn't make them any less illegal.

I don't justify my illegal actions at all. I'm just saying again we aren't making money on it. That's bad! BAD! You are right. We are the source to the problem. Though if we remove the source then we are removing the source to your manga reading. Lesser of "two evil", remember? Stop forgetting what you say yourself.

[b]I sooooo would but you see "no one" is telling me to continue. There's like 50-200 of them depending on what I release. Now if you can take over for me, I would stop immediately.

This hasn't been a hobby for a long time now...so please find someone to take up every of our series (well I can end some though) cuz then I would stop~

Please don't compare building Gundam Models with this. I bet you make them to tell yourself how grand you are to own a Gundam albeit a small one.

Hahahahaha love this, personal insults how cute, and I'm the troll? adorable!

** Thanks but I don't swing that way.**

Why I am doing it? Again I refer to my god complex...but god can't live on that alone...you are right. I just hope it's not a title that you read, lol. Still I guess it's cool we can always have people like you taking up the titles we drop...lulz

So your forcing your self to do some thing you do some thing you don't like. Then proceed to bitch about it to win sympathy. Cool logic bro.

The bold in the quote are comments to your total 4 posts since you know I like to close my ears and go scream "LALALALALALALALA", LOLOLOLZ

Edit: I just want to write this cuz I read the next comment you wrote...so 3 out of 4 here, lol.

Dude...in the end you still end up reading our shit. You rather have no help than the help we give you? Try stopping reading the title of each and every group that complains about mangafox. Then you would find out how few groups who's help you actually want.

Hox and Hobo-1 don't, they do great work, they're fast, and don't bitch on forums all day about leechers. Heck hobo-1 used to upload directly to mangafox and he doesn't even put credits pages in his uploads. and I respect the them far more then just about every scanlator on here.

The ones who doesn't demand respect are the most respected, The one who do are the least.

Now to the shit you still don't get.

THE MANGA IS LOSING EVERY LITTLE CENT THAT MANGAFOX EARNS ON MANGA SCANLATIONS LET IT BE ADD OR NO ADD.

Anyone earning money on the mangaka's work let it be online readers, scanlators or the store at the corner, is taking money from the mangaka if the manga isn't agreeing to it.

Again NO IT DOESN'T, and if your bitching about taking away money STOP SCANLATING!

**YES THE MANGAKA IS LOSING MONEY ON SCANLATIONS BUT A CENT COMPARED TO GRANDS IS THE DIFFIERENCE!

Yes, I decided to stop but that was before you said we were the source of the problem, we should do it for fun and someone mentioned that we should do whatever we want with the scanlations since it's our work. If someone wanted to do something about it they should just do it themself. 😉
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The problem with your head... I kinda figured it out and it only took 3 posts (out of your total 4) is that you can't see the problem in mangafox earning money and find it damn okay they that do that.
So let me put it so you get it...hopefully:

We: Free aka no money earned in the end
Mangafox: Seems free but not aka lots of money earned by the end of the day

haha more insults again! YAY!

let me make this simple.
You: take away money from the mangaka not matter if mangafox existed or not.
Mangafox: earns money that is entirely unrelated to money that would be going to the mangaka.

**I try my best after having you insult us with post number 2.
Again...Why can't you get it? add or no add they are earning money on shit that shouldn't be earned money on. They are moving the gray area where it was "okay to not" to do scanlation to "totally not" to do scanlation. sigh...

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Now...we take something from the author and make it free for others. I agree it's quite bad...I mean the mangaka could earn money on something we are sharing for free. I agree there.
But...mangafox takes that something free which was taken from the author and earn money on it. The mangaka gets nada! zero!

but the mangaka wouldn't get that money even if mangafox didn't exist, Google Ads doesn't not shell out money to mangakas.

No but they shell out money to people who gets visit because of mangaka's work. Money if anyone should get, should be the mangakas, lol. Funny I have to say it 100 times and you will still not get that earning money on mangaka's work is worse than scanlating it.

Getting where I'm going? Like you said we shoot in the gut right?....no that's not entirely true but let's go with the example. We shoot the mangaka in the leg making them bleed, mangafox just cut of their heads and eat them alive.

Naw bro you're doing both, mangafox is just making money off it.

No if we were cutting their head then we would just take the money ourselves, right? It's the moneymaking that makes others eye this shit, not scanlating it.

Still I'm happy you have opened my eyes. There's no need for watermarks anymore. I should just quit because it's because of me and my follow scanlators in this community that mangafox is earning money and thus we are indirectly hurting the mangaka by letting others than the mangaka earn money on their work, let it be via add or not. Thanks for that dude. It took you 4 posts to show me that but I have to say that those 3 posts you made were given out good. 😃

Well just glad I could help broseph 😀

What's a broseph? Call me god if anything!
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I was going to not post anything but I just wanna cuz I'm bored....again bold with comments, lol.

Jigero- to prove that MF isn't shit, you have to rebuke the points supporting that statement. Trying to prove some scanlators are shit, doesn't rebuke those points.
-Debating 101.

Though you're probably affiliated with MF anyway, or just a troll, so why do I even bother...

Quote from cmertb

Jigero, you sound so bitter and hysterical, that one might think you consider yourself one of those "loyal fans" let down by scanlators. Let me dispel that misunderstanding for you: you aren't. Loyal fans understand the scanlator position perfectly and are willing to support them all the way. Which is why scanlation still exists.

Nope I'm not a true fan, not for scanlators like T1 anways, who think all their true fans are the enemy and demands respect from his mindless sheep. But I am a true fan of the Scanlators that don't resort to acting like irrational children just because they feel like it and don't rage quit because some one left them a negative comment.

So...who is that again? I'm quite sure you had all the big group go rawrr in this thread. The only ones were are missing are the shoujo groups...

Anyway, it might be hard for you understand, since you've never done anything good for other people in your life, but fairness is one of the fundamental values of human society. If anyone is unfairly taking advantage of their society, the other members will start taking action -- it's wired into the human brain together with altruism, which the scanlators have displayed a ton of. If a leecher acts like a spoiled child and won't take even the minimal steps needed to help the situation, then it's merely some kind of a brain disorder or a mutation. They deserve our sympathy, but not serious consideration.

See now here's the logical fallacy no one is being a taken advantage of, being taken advantage of requires person A to lose some thing at the cost of person B's gain. But as I've established, no ones is losing anything and this gain they are all complaining about. Is entirely unrelated to any loss their irrational minds can think up.

Also Scanlators are the last people to be complaining about taking advantage of people seeing as how their entire hobby revolves around taking advantage of a person.

**Hey, atleast we aren't that rotten that we start to earn money on the shit. Now that would be low. Not to mention it would make the companies in Japan start doing something for free instead of empty threats most of the time. **

To return to the topic, there are a couple of changes coming in the manga community that should make sites like mangafox redundant. Given the appropriate cooperation from the fans (not counting on embittered hysterical leechers like Jigero though), things should start moving in the right direction. But if, contrary to my expectations, that doesn't happen, I will most likely quit translating my current 13 series. I can keep reading the manga without enriching someone who doesn't deserve it. But don't take it as a threat, it's really a plan of action.

like I said if you're just gonna quit over some thing so stupid, then go for it, I'm not forcing you or requesting you no to.

heck I'd welcome it if the only scanlators left are just the ones who love doing it, even if it was only a handful of them left.

**Why is it so stupid? Try go edit a chapter or two. See how much is put into work. If you still find this stupid then we can agree it's stupid.

"handful of them left" to do what....shoujo? Open your eyes...there aren't non-shoujo groups doing this for it to end up on mangafox or any other online reader so they can end up earning money on it.
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Please take this to your PMs, or a mod will lock the topic soon, and others will be inconvienienced by your... altercation, for lack of a more suitable yet polite word.

There are times when you will miss what you never had. I wonder how you will find what you so desperately need.

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Please take this to your PMs, or a mod will lock the topic soon, and others will be inconvienienced by your... altercation, for lack of a more suitable yet polite word.

I apologize for taking it too far. I will from now on not reply to any of Jigero's messages, no matter how bored I am. I will let him live in whatever world he's living in and keep living in the world we scanlators live in.

Hopefully the scanlation world won't end in a handful of shoujo groups....though that would make me laugh a lot.

Again, I apologize for these long posts thinking I could get through, sorry.

Jigero, in the beginning i thought you were making some decent points.... but now, your points are just retarded and dumb.

scanlators taking advantage of someone? WTF i dont even know how you even came to that conclusion. first, scanlators don't profit from anything they scan.... so how would they be taking advantage of anything when all their work is free and their choice.
second, if anyone taking advantage of this is clearly manga readers since their sole purpose is profiting, hence they host manga at reduce quality, to grow and grow.

as for scanlators not losing anything? i really hope you know, there could always be more people to visit a scanlator's site and apply, rather than going on mangafox and be like ohhh i can do this and this with shit quality. And again, you really dont know what the scanlation world is like, you really cant comment on what goes on there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPNDqAF03V8

Quote from Jigero

Oh yes, how droll of me to ever hope to think that I could ever comment on such an insurmountable skill such as yours, with your slightly above average Photoshop knowledge and your vast understanding of the Japanese language thanks to that 8 week course you took. How could a lowly leecher such as my self dare speak on such matters

I do agree with some of your points, Jigero, some, but not all, and I wanted to point out nicely and politely that an 8 week course on simple Japanese would not suffice for decent translations. I'm not sure if you are a super genius with an IQ higher than Einstein's, so I don't want to comment much, but I myself studied Japanese for 5 years before I started translating decently - decently being the key word.

Even if you do not recognize it, a lot of effort goes into mastery of languages before someone can translate from one language to another. It also takes a lot of time for editors to work on pages on Photoshop. Even if you don't agree with their agendas of wanting to be recognized or whatever, it would be nice if you could at least respect their effort. Is that too much to ask?

Quote from T1

Hopefully the scanlation world won't end in a handful of shoujo groups....though that would make me laugh a lot.

T1, I do respect you for your work, but are you looking down on people who do shoujo?