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MAKING AIR TREK

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18 years ago
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Acually 2 wheels should be the way to go if we get it right,
Right lightning90?
still working on acual AT's


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18 years ago
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Well right now I'm working on the design i almost burned myself twice.... 😲
the metal i have is too weak and when i went to slip the AT on it broke 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁


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18 years ago
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anyone got stronger metal
I thought about using mesh wire figure and then heating plastic mold and pourng it in the frame and then taking metal and bending and cutting and shaving it to make the AT


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You do not see triple posts every day,


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18 years ago
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I know it's a long shot but how bout we use a lithium battery power so we should get about 8hrs of Using the AT's
but seems too short
but i have the idea where the battery can go
in the back or inside of it


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18 years ago
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SOMEONE COMPILE ALL THE IDEAS

I say we use something light and strong. Titanium might work. But Ceramics might be better. I've also seen 2 wheeled rollerblades. Not sure how great they are... Here's all the issues i've want to clear up

  1. What Materials to use from the frame of the AT
  2. The goal of this project (And i dun wanna hear "TO BUILT AN AT" cause that's just unrealistic) and basic specs (how much speed we want, etc etc)
  3. Who's gonna built the AT

I am thinking just a light, motorized RollerBlade, that can absorb the impact from around a 3 ft fall to start with. Instead of a full on AT, this way we can have some way to work with it. Cause remember, Oh! Great never tested out HIS at design, he prolly just drew what he thinks looks cool. Its waayyyy easier to use an external power source that can be strapped on our legs or something. Like the lighting king's AT which is on his whole body. We can built this thing on our legs. Instead of Motorized ROllerblades, make motorized pants

who's funding this anyways? >.>


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This thread has gone on a while, and there still doesn't seem to be a solid plan yet. I'll try submitting some ideas that I think might work.

  1. Frame- It's impossible to make a small frame that lets you jump from a lamp post unharmed. There is already technology to let people jump over 6 feet in the air, but it definitely can't be condensed to skate sizes. However, there is already mini-suspension skate frames made of polycarbonate that let you land jumps from 3+ ft already. Since nobody in an AT will be jumping insanely high, this would be sufficient.

  2. Brakes- You want a system similar to this one...
    http://www.inlineskatestop.com/

It is not yet available, but the concept is about as close as you can get to condensed internal "power brakes".

  1. Motors- Again, no motor will get you above 25 mph and fit inside a normal looking skate. Are motors even needed? Perhaps a weight-powered gear system would be appropriate. There would be no need for electronics, and being weight powered would make acceleration based on how much you "lean" into it.

At a minimum, it would eliminate worries about overheating, battery power, fuel, and electronics. Check the following link. It's over 100 years old, but the concept is scalable and seemingly sound. I'm sure someone can improve on this 100 year old design...
http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/invent/skate.htm


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Quote from Jay3205

  1. Brakes- You want a system similar to this one...
    http://www.inlineskatestop.com/

It is not yet available, but the concept is about as close as you can get to condensed internal "power brakes".

  1. Motors- Again, no motor will get you above 25 mph and fit inside a normal looking skate. Are motors even needed? Perhaps a weight-powered gear system would be appropriate. There would be no need for electronics, and being weight powered would make acceleration based on how much you "lean" into it.

At a minimum, it would eliminate worries about overheating, battery power, fuel, and electronics. Check the following link. It's over 100 years old, but the concept is scalable and seemingly sound. I'm sure someone can improve on this 100 year old design...
http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/invent/skate.htm

  1. I mentioned disk breaks before though I don't think it would be necessary to equip all wheels with a break. I believe the rear wheel would be more than sufficient, if the front has a break and you hit it too hard the effects would be the same as if you slammed on the front break of a bike going 30 mpg.

  2. I can;t imagine that could give you any more power than a normal rollarskate. When you skate normally you are pushing off a hard surfacing with your entire leg. With that weight system you are pushing down but the only resistance is what the gears provide not to mention you would have to equip a gear box to to get any performance out of the set up.

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SOMEONE COMPILE ALL THE IDEAS

I say we use something light and strong. Titanium might work. But Ceramics might be better. I've also seen 2 wheeled rollerblades. Not sure how great they are... Here's all the issues i've want to clear up

  1. What Materials to use from the frame of the AT
  2. The goal of this project (And i dun wanna hear "TO BUILT AN AT" cause that's just unrealistic) and basic specs (how much speed we want, etc etc)
  3. Who's gonna built the AT
  1. For the moment steel will work just fine and is something that is fairly easy to work with. Another lighter option is aluminum which is also easy to come by and though can be a pain to cut, however it is a softer metal and won't take much abuse. neither of these are the best options but they are by far the most practical. I wouldn't go with ceramic because ceramic is a hard substance that will shatter if its stress point is reached.

  2. The goal of the project or at least my goal is to produce a a powered skate that weights under ten pounds, has a self contained suspension system as well as a redundant breaking system capable of reaching speeds of 25 mpg on flat ground.

  3. Just about anything I mention I can build in my shop.


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18 years ago
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evil one got a point about the brakes.when we brakes, our body often lean back, so putting the brakes for the back wheels only might also save some space in AT, we can add something else then.

Acually 2 wheels should be the way to go if we get it right,
Right lightning90?
still working on acual AT's

well, two wheels might be better. i say this bcoz' if the wheels are bigger than normal skates wheel(like in air gear), it might guaranty more stability. if we were to use wheels like air gear, we only got room for two wheels.
normal size skate wheels might be a bad idea coz when me are moving at high speed, a single crack could cause us a major injury, but with bigger wheels(larger circumference), it wont be so easy to trip over a crack.


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really bad news

i'm afraid i'm going to drop this project, and i'll explain why

after i've done my calculation about how many hp we'll need and about the battery (even tough i said we should have looked to the braking and cushion parts first, i'm an hypocrite <_<), i've started looking for a suitable battery and engine.

after a lot of searching i've found a rechargeable battery that will give you around 5min of run, and weigh under 5kg. that was not satisfactory, but the best i could find.

than i started looking for an engine. as i said before, we need 5hp, better if even distributed on the two skates, so 2.5hp engines on two skates.

the lighter 2.5 i could find weigh around 60lb. i tought that was terfect, than i googled 80lb in kg and i found the end of the project. at's can't be driven with an electric engine sorry. it adds more than 30kg to each skate, and that would bring an even heavier engine to be needed. and i don't fell that traditional fuel engine are safe enough to be handled by untrained personnel like the visitor of this forum.

if any of you can find me 5hp in under let's say 10kg of electric engine i'll be back to this project in no time.

until then good luck and have fun.

p.s. oh even if you think abput strapping a lawnmower engine to your back you would still need to find a way to transmit the power to your skates, all the way down your spine.


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meh, leave it to the people of the future. for now, the only thing you can do is remodel your blades to look like AT's in regalia mode. Though the wind regalia ones will be a little....weird. I say Akito's would be easiest 😛 of course, u cant make the wheels to be the same, but everything else, I don't see why not. 😃


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It is possible to build an electric powered skate, though you'd need to keep the battery somewhere off the skate itself. This would be a whole lot simpler if you waited for the electric skate at...
http://www.aircoast.com/

Of course, in the (not so far) future, this will be way easier to implement. Electricity could be supplied wirelessly to the skate, reducing need for batteries. Physicists even claim to have figured out a way for levitation based on the Casimir effect, which in the way future could be used to reduce the load on motors and bearings to allow for higher speeds


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18 years ago
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srry I'm not gonna drop the post But I must stop for a little bit i should be back thursday I busy with my band
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my crew already finish with the prototype of the engine i mention earlier. it's kinda reverse engine where the magnets are inside and the axel are outside. we test it on toy car, and it blew up. we are designing 2nd prototype. just gonna take little more time coz' one of us got their hand burned. making new engine really are harder than thinking of it.

this is what i am able to compile from this whole thread(the best option available).

1.brakes-using disk brakes on the back wheels.even provide better balance when stoping.
2.material-we can use carbon,titanium,or even steel.
3.wheels-we need fist sized wheel(the circumference) and made of durable material for better traction.
4.power source-our best choices is lithium-ion battery or nickel metal hydride batteries.
5.suspension-pneumatic is probably best right now. just need to find small and powerfull enough.
6.engines-the most troublesome part. can't find any that is powerfull enough.

that's about it. perhaps i missed 1-2 details.


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