So today I was browsing youtube listening to some dubstep when I stumbled across a comment someone had left saying that people who only use computers to create music arn't musicians and are talentless. In which I replied 'no that's not true the're is loads of good musicians who only use computers to create music and they are very talented'. He disagreed obviously and I could not be bothered to comment back so I just let him have his opinion.

So what are your thoughts on this am I wrong? I don't think so but I would like to hear others opinions.

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ur not wrong... thats what I think cause it takes time to create music even with a computer

I agree with you.

But...
it takes very little time to learn how to use digital music production software. Believe me, it's super easy. I think that music that uses real instruments opposed to computers will always be better since in the end, a computer can only imitate the sounds achieved by instruments. There are sounds that a computer will never me able to recreate

People who create and/or play music using whatever are musicians. It's not the instrument that made one a musician but the music one create..

There are also sounds that computers can make that normal instruments can't (techno), so it's not like computers are second-rate in that sense. Unless I'm wrong; I don't know much about music. ^^;;

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I agree with you.

But...
it takes very little time to learn how to use digital music production software. Believe me, it's super easy. I think that music that uses real instruments opposed to computers will always be better since in the end, a computer can only imitate the sounds achieved by instruments. There are sounds that a computer will never me able to recreate

This is true then again I have had ago at using ableton and I found it difficult to understand the software but I don't know if learning the software would take as long as learning an instument. I supose it depends what instument it was.

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Youtube Comments are home to some of the most bizarre and biased opinions in existence. It's better not to let them get to you.

Anyhow, regardless how easy it is to learn, music is still music.

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I see talent in people who can use software to create music. It's one thing to be familiar with software, but it's another to be able to create a melody, beat and mood that people could enjoy. Anyways, I like music and could care less about the form that was used to create it.

And I agree with @dufus397, there are some people who like to instigate arguments online. Who cares about them... You yourself can determine whose comments are important to you, not some stranger without a face on a social network website.

Here is the definition of a 'musician' on dictionary.com

–noun
1.
a person who makes music a profession, esp. as a performer of music.
2.
any person, whether professional or not, skilled in music.

Now here's the definition of music from the same source

an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.
2.
the tones or sounds employed, occurring in single line (melody) or multiple lines (harmony), and sounded or to be sounded by one or more voices or instruments, or both.

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I agree with you.

But...
it takes very little time to learn how to use digital music production software. Believe me, it's super easy. I think that music that uses real instruments opposed to computers will always be better since in the end, a computer can only imitate the sounds achieved by instruments. There are sounds that a computer will never me able to recreate

Easy to learn the software?
Somewhat. Depends on what your tools are, tbh.
Lets not go into production and just stick to basic mixing and remastering. Try using Native Instrumet's Traktor Kontrol and come back to me saying you think it's easy to use. Even the somewhat easy Propellerhead, while easy to get into, will take a novice months before he actually manages anything decent (well, anything I'd want to sign, at least)

Easy to make music?
Depends on your ability. Most producers of electronica worth listening to tend to have a background with what you call "real instruments" as well. Sure, there are some that come into the scene and produce good stuff without any knowledge in the piano, guitar, glockenspiel...etc, but give these same people a 'real instrumet' and most of the time, they'll be able to learn it just as well.

I agree with you on the bit about computers/software not being able to recreate all points in the sonic spectrum, but again, many tend to mix and match, plus there's always sampling. Recording a tone on your guitar and then using it as a sample in your track doesn't make it less "real" (if you disagree with me here, then all the CD's you own aren't "real" reproductions of musicianship either, regardless of instrument played or production techniques applied, since it's all digitized in the end as well as well)

At the end of the day, instruments are tools, nothing more, nothing less. Whether they're "real" or digitalist, doesn't make a difference. It's the sdame for vocalists. Not all 'schooled' are as good as their schools make them out to be. Many legendary lyricists have had little or no vocal training whatsoever. As long as you produce original compositions that cater to your specific target audience, you're a musician. Sure, it's a double-edged sword, that opinion (by that definition, I'd have to consider people like that Paris Hotel girl or Mick Jagger or half the acts in Korean pop-music scene as musicians when they're clearly not), but hey, I'd to rate individuals rather than an entire profession/industry.

Just my 2 cents.

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Quote from robbit

I agree with you.

But...
it takes very little time to learn how to use digital music production software. Believe me, it's super easy. I think that music that uses real instruments opposed to computers will always be better since in the end, a computer can only imitate the sounds achieved by instruments. There are sounds that a computer will never me able to recreate

Easy to learn the software?
Somewhat. Depends on what your tools are, tbh.
Lets not go into production and just stick to basic mixing and remastering. Try using Native Instrumet's Traktor Kontrol and come back to me saying you think it's easy to use. Even the somewhat easy Propellerhead, while easy to get into, will take a novice months before he actually manages anything decent (well, anything I'd want to sign, at least)

Easy to make music? Depends on your ability. Most producers electronica worth listening to tend to have a background with what you call "real instruments". Sure, there are some that come into the scene and produce good stuff without any knowledge in the piano, guitar, glockenspiel...etc, but give em a 'real instrumet' and most of the time they;ll be able to learn it just as well.

I agree with you on teh bit about computers/software not being able to recreate all points in the sonic spectrum, but again, many tend to mix and match, plus there's always sampling.

At the end of the day, instruments are tools, nothing more, nothing less. Whether they're "real" or digitalist, doesn't make a difference. It's the sdame for vocalists. Not all 'schooled' are as good as their schools make them out to be. Many legendary lyricists have had little or no vocal training whatsoever. As long as you produce original compositions that cater to your specific target audience, you're a musician. Sure, it's a double-edged sword, that opinion (by that definition, I'd have to consider people like that Paris Hotel girl or Mick Jagger or half the acts in Korean pop-music scene as musicians when they're clearly not), but hey, I'd to rate individuals rather than an entire profession/industry.

Just my 2 cents.

I couldn't agree more I mean people like autechre pretty much program all their instuments from scratch so I am told. It all depends on the tools you use, whether or not it is easy to learn. The main thing is that I am glad that I am not the only one who does not think that people who only use computers are not musicians.

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I would say that it depends.

It doesn't make me musician just because I clap my hands. It doesn't make me a musician just because I keep pulling strings on a guitar randomly. It doesn't make me musician if I randomly press on some buttons on a music software program.

It's all about how you use the instrument or software to create the magical thing we call music. If you put a lot of work and time to it you can create music from almost everything. And it doesn't matter if you use a software or some kitchen pans. It's all music if that's what you are trying to create.

I think they're musicians. I like their music as well.
Though I'm usually more impressed by the music of live orchestras and stuff. There is just a different feeling to hearing it in that way.

But yes, they can make awesome music and I don't know why they wouldn't be called musicians.

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well they are musicians
but if they happen to get their voice and alter it 360 degrees with some special program, even so they are 'musicians' but talentless one

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I agree with you.

But...
it takes very little time to learn how to use digital music production software. Believe me, it's super easy. I think that music that uses real instruments opposed to computers will always be better since in the end, a computer can only imitate the sounds achieved by instruments. There are sounds that a computer will never me able to recreate

Easy to learn the software?
Somewhat. Depends on what your tools are, tbh.
Lets not go into production and just stick to basic mixing and remastering. Try using Native Instrumet's Traktor Kontrol and come back to me saying you think it's easy to use. Even the somewhat easy Propellerhead, while easy to get into, will take a novice months before he actually manages anything decent (well, anything I'd want to sign, at least)

Easy to make music?
Depends on your ability. Most producers of electronica worth listening to tend to have a background with what you call "real instruments" as well. Sure, there are some that come into the scene and produce good stuff without any knowledge in the piano, guitar, glockenspiel...etc, but give these same people a 'real instrumet' and most of the time, they'll be able to learn it just as well.

I agree with you on the bit about computers/software not being able to recreate all points in the sonic spectrum, but again, many tend to mix and match, plus there's always sampling. Recording a tone on your guitar and then using it as a sample in your track doesn't make it less "real" (if you disagree with me here, then all the CD's you own aren't "real" reproductions of musicianship either, regardless of instrument played or production techniques applied, since it's all digitized in the end as well as well)

At the end of the day, instruments are tools, nothing more, nothing less. Whether they're "real" or digitalist, doesn't make a difference. It's the sdame for vocalists. Not all 'schooled' are as good as their schools make them out to be. Many legendary lyricists have had little or no vocal training whatsoever. As long as you produce original compositions that cater to your specific target audience, you're a musician. Sure, it's a double-edged sword, that opinion (by that definition, I'd have to consider people like that Paris Hotel girl or Mick Jagger or half the acts in Korean pop-music scene as musicians when they're clearly not), but hey, I'd to rate individuals rather than an entire profession/industry.

Just my 2 cents.

I suppose I should have specified which software. Yes, Propellerhead is a good place to start along with Acid Music Studio (years ago... brings back memories
I major in music technology. That might have something to with my opinion. However, that aside, when I began, it really only took about a month to put out stuff that is at least as good as most stuff you might find. The programs were not designed with the thought to confuse the heck out of you.
Also, Traktor Control... if you know how to use that well, I wish you a multitude of fishy sticks 🙂
In the end, the electronic music broski has it easier than the lead guitarist.
Don't get me wrong. I know that it takes a shit ton of work and perseverance to completely understand how to use the software. Its just easier than learning how to play guitar.
As a guitarist and a producer, I love a great spectrum of music. It is just easier to be a producer - up to a point.
If anyone is interested, check out an artist called Atomic Skunk. He uses his guitar as a midi controller and gets the most bizarre sounds. Have a listen: Atomic Skunk - Forest for the Trees