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For instance, if he had left Poland, France, and other countries on that side, alone, he could had killed Stalin, taken Russia, and had that entire force at his disposal, which would of left most of Europe at his feet.

killed stalin and took over russia? dude, even if he somehow, magically could have killed that guy with only his (very dumb) forces, it doesnt mean the whole country wouldve just obeyed him brainlessly. not to mention, he thought of the russians as one of the lower level races, aka for him- they were nothing but servants to the ari.
not to mention, that russia at the time was a bunch of villages around a bunch of cities. ppl lived their country side lives (until, of course, the goverment came and took them to war (my grandpa for example)).
from where did u get the idea that if hitler killed the not so very much liked leader, everyone would just follow him?

Big parts of the Russian population welcomed the Wehrmacht as saviours,of course only until the killings began.

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And if he hadn't conquered Poland, France... he wouldn't have had the resources for his war.

Thats very true, but if he had taken Russia, with the limited resources that he had at that time, he woulda proved his abbility to take anything he wanted on the continent, rather than just taking smaller countries first, and would had gotten backing from people out of straight fear....

@mori, nothing i am saying here is a Fact, i am just going on speculation of my mind, which we both know is not always the sharpest in the world x.X
all i am saying is I'd figure that The soviets would follow him, over Stalin, any day

... after he butchered through them?
take a wild guess what hitler thought of the russians, that quite alot of them were jews or gypsies or any other "scum". if a german soldier recognized one of these, the whole village mightve been executed immidiately.

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... after he butchered through them?
take a wild guess what hitler thought of the russians, that quite alot of them were jews or gypsies or any other "scum". if a german soldier recognized one of these, the whole village mightve been executed immidiately.

It is a complicated matter, but Hitler didn't invet anti-semitism, and in Russia Jews were "persecuted" as well, because of all the anti-religious laws by Stalin and before that for the "standard reasons". One of the reasons why Hitler was seen als a savior more than a conqueror at the beginning was because he wasn't that anti-religious like Stalin. Most people just didn't care about the Jews (and gypsies aren't even worth mentioning concerning this matter), but then they realized that not only the Jews, Gipsies... were seen as second-class people, no, all Russians as well.

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[quote=thezombieking]For instance, if he had left Poland, France, and other countries on that side, alone, he could had killed Stalin, taken Russia, and had that entire force at his disposal, which would of left most of Europe at his feet.

killed stalin and took over russia? dude, even if he somehow, magically could have killed that guy with only his (very dumb) forces, it doesnt mean the whole country wouldve just obeyed him brainlessly. not to mention, he thought of the russians as one of the lower level races, aka for him- they were nothing but servants to the ari.
not to mention, that russia at the time was a bunch of villages around a bunch of cities. ppl lived their country side lives (until, of course, the goverment came and took them to war (my grandpa for example)).
from where did u get the idea that if hitler killed the not so very much liked leader, everyone would just follow him?

Big parts of the Russian population welcomed the Wehrmacht as saviours,of course only until the killings began.

@thezombieking
And if he hadn't conquered Poland, France... he wouldn't have had the resources for his war.

Thats very true, but if he had taken Russia, with the limited resources that he had at that time, he woulda proved his abbility to take anything he wanted on the continent, rather than just taking smaller countries first, and would had gotten backing from people out of straight fear....

@mori, nothing i am saying here is a Fact, i am just going on speculation of my mind, which we both know is not always the sharpest in the world x.X
all i am saying is I'd figure that The soviets would follow him, over Stalin, any day[/quote]

Well, in order to reach Russia, he would've needed to have gone through Poland or Latvia, etc. He knew Poland was allied with the British and the French in a treaty that stated that if anyone attacked Poland, Britain and France would come to its aid. So he would have been fighting a two front war which he wanted to avoid. Since France was the big bad military power on the block pre WWII with a superior military and better technology it would have been better to take them out really quickly (blitzkrieg) and then focus on the east rather give France a chance to gather its thoughts and be a really big pain in the @$$. So he actually did the right thing, its just that Belgium surprisingly put up a better resistance than anyone thought (go thru belgium to avoid France's strong military line) and screwed up his plans.
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If the Germans won, Europe would have been a completely communistic territory - instead of just East Europe. Even if that happened though, people would still revolt eventually and the empire would crumble. Every empire that lets fear be its pillar is destined to fall apart. Just look at history. :] Well, every empire will break apart someday. Change is inevitable!

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Polite bump.

If the Germans won, Europe would have been a completely communistic territory - instead of just East Europe. Even if that happened though, people would still revolt eventually and the empire would crumble. Every empire that lets fear be its pillar is destined to fall apart. Just look at history. :] Well, every empire will break apart someday. Change is inevitable!

Well that's not really true because the Germans weren't communist. It was the Soviet Union who took control of Eastern Europe to create a buffer zone between it and western European nations. Since the Soviets were actually an enemy of the Germans (battle of stalingrad anyone?) if Germany won then communism would not have spread to the extent it did because the USSR would not have forced it on all of its "satellite states."

If the Germans won I think they would not have held their empire for long. The economic situation in almost every European country (including Germany) was so bad that there was no way that Hitler could expect to maintain his empire for long, he just did not have the resources.

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I knew all that. Mixed my terms.

And yeah, at the end of the war, Germany's resources were pretty much depleted, which slowly chiseled away at their defenses and gave enough opportunity for the allied forces to strike back hard and swift.

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If the Germans won, I might have been born in China, or not at all

i doubt the axis would of ever won, if Germany didnt surrender first then it would of been Japan due to the A-bomb and if my memory serves correct a little after the U.S. made the A-bomb the soviets had one to, so then there would of been two countries that more then likely would of "nuked" the crap out of Germany until the Nazis surrendered

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You know what I dont understand? (pumpupthevolume made me think of this) WWII was basically two seperate wars because the European and Pacific conquests were so seperate from each other. Germany and Japan were allies, but its not like they were fighting for the same thing or that they even combined troops at any point. It was mostly US vs Japan and USSR and England (france was out fast...) vs Germany with the US comming in later. Really the only thing the two parts of the war had in common was American participation at some point. Shouldnt the two conflicts be seperated as two wars occuring simultaniously rather than one giant ww?

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You know what I dont understand? (pumpupthevolume made me think of this) WWII was basically two seperate wars because the European and Pacific conquests were so seperate from each other. Germany and Japan were allies, but its not like they were fighting for the same thing or that they even combined troops at any point. It was mostly US vs Japan and USSR and England (france was out fast...) vs Germany with the US comming in later. Really the only thing the two parts of the war had in common was American participation at some point. Shouldnt the two conflicts be seperated as two wars occuring simultaniously rather than one giant ww?

You left out Africa

And Russia was preparing to attack Japan at a set date, 'cept America dropped the nuke before this occurred. At the time Russia did not know of American nuclear arms.