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the idea that humans would become retarded or ill in some ways is just rumours born from disgust at the very idea

That's not entirely true. There have been many cases where the children of an incest couple are disabled in someway.
Obviously that's not the case for every single incest relationship but to say it's not true isn't correct either. I think it's a case of them being "more likely" to be at a greater risk of genetic disorders.

It's a tricky topic. It's hard to say whether it's right or wrong. I think what gets me is the inbreeding. I dunno it just doesn't sit right with me.

But hey you know, if they're happy and ok, then who am I to say that "You're not allowed to be happy because that's your sibling"?
I don't hold a grudge towards those who do it, it's just more the case of I don't support it.

in ficiton it´s okay, but i wouldn´t want to see it in real life. Even thought many ancient people married their siblings (e.g cleopatra) nowadays most people don´t love their siblings in a romantic way

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I get the impression that there are a lot of introverted otakus or NEETs in Japan so....I think incest is popular in manga due to psychological reasons......because, it is simply easier to reach out to someone you see everyday over some random person that you hardly ever see (assuming that the otaku is introverted). This is due to the fact that the protagonist would know/understand the sibling far more than some unknown hero/heroine. This is just a shoot in the dark. Of course incest also serves as a plot device and that may add a bit of story to an otherwise boring (probably) manga. Everyone loves forbidden themes simply because, they rarely happen in real life.....or perhaps for other reasons..... 🤨

Also, said introvert would probably be too shy or afraid to go out and find a regular girlfriend.

I keep seeing NEET, wat's a neet? Someone who wants everything clean?

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Well like incest, is just disgusting. I could never think of my brother that way. Its disturbing. If there is someone like that in my community they would be in jail!

On the other hand, i'm a fan of incest... ONLY IN MANGA XD

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I have siblings and have never been attracted to them. (cousins are a different case though 😛 ) However, I have to admit, personally I find incest less repulsive than same sex romance.

okay, that's because you have issues. love with another person who you are not related to is fine. there is absolutely nothing wrong with loving someone in your same sex.

incest is completely different. if you have an opposite sex sibling (like i do) then you'll be able to understand how wrong it is. i don't think people who commit incest are bad or anything, but i do think they are mentally skewed, as genetically, it should be impossible for a human to be sexually attracted to their siblings. being mentally disturbed isn't wrong, of course-you can't help it, but it isn't something i would wish on anyone, and if there were a cure for it, you'd want to be cured of it. thats what incest is.

also, for gays/lesbians/bisexuals, homosexuality is part of who they are. incest isn't a part of who someone is, it's an act that they can commit. Whether you think it's right or wrong is irrelevant. the fact is that homosexuality and incest are entirely different. It's not like you can only be sexually attracted to your siblings. then incest would be a part of who you are, and we'd be having an entirely different conversation.

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When u decide something dont do it with double standards, wrong is wrong and right is right. If you think incest is wrong i agree but why most people who view this can tolerate same sex marriage to a better degree?

homosexuality is a part of you, and you can't help it any more than you can help your skin color or your metabolism or whatever. incest is an act that you can commit, and choosing whether or not to commit it is up to you. also, most incest is not a loving act committed by two star-crossed lovers. it's usually forced, or it involves mentally sick people.

if two siblings genuinely loved each other as man and woman and couldn't see each other in any other way, then . . . well, i don't want to say that it's okay, but it's better. but i have never heard of that happening before (excluding manga). as long as you see someone as your brother/sister, it should be impossible for you to be sexually attracted to them. if you honestly don't see them that way.....well, I guess that's a different story, then. i've never been in that position, so i wouldn't know.

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I keep seeing NEET, wat's a neet? Someone who wants everything clean?

A person that does not study or work and probably lives with his/her parents.

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I keep seeing NEET, wat's a neet? Someone who wants everything clean?

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I think it's just plain wrong, something sick must've gotten into their minds if they're sexually attracted to their siblings. Unless of course they were separated and didn't get the "sibling" feeling. But that becomes wrong when they start "getting it on"

Why is it wrong? Cos either society, religion or law says so.

Sure I might be sexually attracted to some sister I have which I don't know of, but when I realize she's my sister, I'd be like "What Teh ****?"

I m not going to condemn anyone and nor am I wise enough to say what's wrong or what's right. However, its been scientifically proven that same-blood, love towards siblings is a natural phenomena but its bred out of our system by always being near tto one another in a close group or small space. So scince says if a brother and sister were seperated at birth and then happen to meet without prior knowledge, chances are they will be more attracted to one another than other potential partners. Like let's say, if the brother was made to choose a girl out of a buncha others in a room, chances are he would pick out the sister, if he didnt know who she was.

And its been on news and stuff too that siblings have been known to fall in love without knowing who they were.

I dont think its any less repulsive than Homosexuality. You cant help who you fall in love with and just like a gay who can stop himself to do it with (I m not going to say it) a brother and sister can decide also. To me, same sex has always been the biggest wrong ever. (yes I m homophobic)

...What...?

Anyway, yeah. It's gross. But anything can happen in manga. I don't read anything with incest though. Just a turn off for me... xD

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I keep seeing NEET, wat's a neet? Someone who wants everything clean?

Not in Education, Employment, or Training.

so in other words a bum. Good got that out of the way.

Now a lot of people are saying it's not gross or something similar to it.

Let me just say this, if you spend too much time with anybody, you are not gonna like them, you know 50 percent of all marriage end in divorce, and the others end in death.

it's not an accident that the other half end in death and not end in roses.

so bottom line it's pretty hard for siblings to like each other.

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I really can't stand incest. Part of it is because I have a brother myself: I get so annoyed with the portrayal of siblings in anime/manga that I can't stand reading about it. Secondly, the chance of incest between two people who have known each other for a very long time is very unlikely due to the Westermark Effect. Cases of real life incest usually occur in siblings who have never meet or don't remember ever meeting. The last reason I don't like incest is because it's such a lazy, overdone plot device. There is no 'forbidden aspect' anymore. It's all just lazy writing.

You know, for once, for once, I would like to read a manga that has two step/siblings of the opposite sex who don't feel attracted to each other. The fact that a realistic brother/sister relationship is so incredibly rare in manga is sad.

Rarely do I see true incest anymore or at all. Most of the time it's step sibling related. Are you really going to tell me that if you find yourself attractive, you won't think people (siblings) that look like you not attractive as well?

I find the majority of the replies have this tone of objective morals. Now you can decide to believe that incest is wrong by your own reasoning but that does not make it objectively true, nor does it make the other side of the argument true. You cannot prove any of the statements that incest is objectively morally wrong because of "X, Y or Z", you can make the case that if you do not want to cause "X, Y or Z" then one should not commit incest, but that's the extent to what you can only objectively state. Any other arguments that its "wrong" or "immortal" is just ridiculous as the state of what's "wrong" or "immoral" has changed overtime and evolves with us as society adapts. This is also the case for homosexuality.

This is the usual "Is-Ought Problem" or "Hume's guillotine" this shows how you cannot state a normative statement, like "incest is wrong because of genetic disorder thus we ought not to commit incest", this statement is wrong because you cannot go from a normative statement like "...because of genetic disorder thus we ought not to commit incest" from a positive statement like "incest is wrong" you either believe it and follow the normative statement or you do not; this does not prove that the positive statement is true.

If you need better clarification of what I just wrote wiki has good definitions:
normative statements: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative_statement
positive statements: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_statement
and Is-Ought Problem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem

It is true that one would not feel attracted to someone of close proximity as shown by the Westermarck effect but that just proves that there's a higher chance that those people would not feel sexually attracted, but this does not conclusively show that everyone would not be sexually attracted at all but just a higher chance of not being attracted; however low the chances are it still exist and can and does occur.

The GSA or Genetic sexual attraction is just odd, I cannot say it is conclusively true, that if you had a lost sibling and you were looking for a mate, and out of all the possible candidates, you would be much more attracted to your sibling because of being the same bloodline, would be true; I would think it has to do with more if they both found each other physically attractive or other traits that kicked it off not so much because of blood relation alone.

Now for anyone who claims that it's wrong to commit incest or any other acts because it's in the bible(or any other religious book), law or some other contrived rule, should be killed, well maybe not but honestly if you cannot think for yourself if action X is right or wrong with your own reasoning and logic then you seriously have a problem. Honestly if the only reason stopping you from raping someone, stealing something or any other unlawful act, is because of some arbitrary rule that was written down or voted by the majority then I would not want to live by you or anyone with the same school of thought; at any given moment those laws could be written to go against you or some minority party.

This is the reason why more people need to understand morality not by some contrived religious book or spiritual writing by some Asian idiot or any other form of mysticism. I would suggest all of you to read up on David Hume's work on morality and understand how your understanding of morality is just incorrect. If any of you still find it to be gross, fine; but don't try to preach that the reason why you do is because you find it to be immoral or something similar to that extent. If you rationalize it out that because incest between a brother and sister, or any other form of incest other than homosexuality, can lead to a child that has some sort of deficiency then fine accept it on such rationalized out merits.