I had a heated debate today with a male acquaintance who went to strip clubs during college, and even went occasionally after marriage - his wife hated it, of course, but slowly forgave him (god knows why!). Thing is, he was STILL trying to defend going to strip clubs even today, and I was like...

"NO, it's wrong! Obviously once you're married, it's very wrong, but even while you're single, it's just bad and wrong and sad and pathetic to use/objectify women like that, especially given that most (if not all) of the women there are stripping for seriously miserable reasons, like past sexual abuse or current poverty. It's like enjoying someone else's misery, which is just plain sick. It's also financially supporting and tacitly approving of a system that victimizes women and commodifies them as sex objects, as things that can be 'bought' with money rather than as human beings whose worth is beyond measure. And even if that weren't the case and the strip industry was a nice, cuddly place and ALL strippers were doing it for the 'fun'... What the hell, man? Would you be okay with your daughter/sister/mother working at one of those joints? If not, then OBVIOUSLY there's something very wrong with it. Be honest."

But then he responded by saying that it's just harmless fun and that I'm too old-fashioned - and that because I'm a woman, I'm just "biased" against strip clubs. Uh...?

Well, I know that there are many opinions, and that's fair enough, but I wanted to do a sort of quantitative survey to see where men's and women's opinions differ on the topic, if they differ at all. I do not like making gender-based generalizations, but after being told that I was "biased" because of my womanhood, I figured - might as well do the math and then see if he had a point, right? I don't like throwing out what people say without thinking about it, first... Especially when it comes to such a controversial topic, where there are probably huge differences of opinion between people.

So please, help me out and answer the above poll, and, if you have the time, elaborate on your answers!

Here are some helpful questions to inspire thought (and responses)...

What do you think of strip clubs?

Would you/have you personally enjoyed going to one? If so, why?

Have you been to one but disliked it? If so, why?

Would you be okay with your partner going to one?

Do YOU think that men's and women's opinions differ on the matter of strip clubs? If so, why?

What do you think it says about a person, if they go to strip clubs?

What do you think it says about a man's opinion of women, if he goes to strip clubs? (And vice versa - for women who go to strip clubs, and their opinion of men?)

Is going to a strip club more of a 'peer pressure' thing and a social/group activity, or does it also reflect upon the individual's choice to go, even if they're within a group? (Like, say, can it be that someone gets 'dragged along' to a strip club, like a non-drinker might get dragged along to a bar?)

Is it possible to go once and then to stop going? Or is it a naturally addictive/repetitive behavior, like with the guy I spoke to today, who couldn't stop even after marriage (and after his wife asked him not to go)?

How do strip clubs portray women or encourage their patrons to see women?

Would you be okay with working a strip joint or having your family members/partner working at one?

Have you known anybody who goes to strip joints? What are their feelings about the business? (Aside from the happy-in-my-pants feelings. Duh.)

Have you known anybody who works in strip joints? What are their feelings about the business?

Are 'Stag Night' strip parties okay?

If one is in a committed relationship, is it cheating on one's partner to go to a strip club? Or is it okay?

Etc.

Basically, anything you can say in detail about your opinion of strip clubs would be welcome.

Please DO NOT talk in a puerile or sexually suggestive/funny/insulting way. NO FOUL LANGUAGE, PLEASE. I'm looking for a serious discussion of the topic, here! No flames/silliness, please.

First of all, (to anyone who's not aware yet), I'm a woman.
Secondly, I see nothing immoral about going to strip clubs.

You talk about objectifying women and cheating...
But don't you do the same every time you look at a beautiful/plainly good looking woman?
Don't you admire her beauty before any other quality?
It's not wrong, it's just human nature. You see something you like and your body reacts.
It's natural.
For me, it's not cheating unless you actually approach that woman and engage in conversation,
after which you start getting other feelings.
But what's wrong with looking? And that's pretty much all strip clubs are.
Sure, there's the issue of lap dancing, but unless you're in a relationship where your partner is against it, it's all the same to me.
And yeah, maybe the circumstances that brought those women to work in such a job were less than ideal, it's still their job. They get paid for doing it.
When you have a job that involves interacting with people, you learn to distance yourself.
Or at least, change yourself accordingly when you're working.
You think working at a minimum wage job is fun? They chose to do something else for money.
I don't think of them any more or any less for that.

I also don't think less of people go attend such clubs.
Unless their partners object.

Now to your questions:

What do you think of strip clubs?
I think it's a place of business.

Would you/have you personally enjoyed going to one? If so, why?
Depends on the women.

Have you been to one but disliked it? If so, why?
I have not been to one. Maybe because I don't have money for that? lol

Would you be okay with your partner going to one?
Sure. But I'd want to know why they feel the urge.
Maybe I'd tag along if it's ok to make out in front of the stripper.

Do YOU think that men's and women's opinions differ on the matter of strip clubs? If so, why?
Probably?
Women tend to be more apprehensive about it.
The reason for it being that such establishments are more openly available for men.
They could also be insecure in their relationship.

What do you think it says about a person, if they go to strip clubs?
I'm not sure.
Bored, maybe? Net porn is not enough?

What do you think it says about a man's opinion of women, if he goes to strip clubs? (And vice versa - for women who go to strip clubs, and their opinion of men?)
That, I'm not sure of.
They probably don't think it through.
I doubt they want to hurt their wives.

Is going to a strip club more of a 'peer pressure' thing and a social/group activity, or does it also reflect upon the individual's choice to go, even if they're within a group? (Like, say, can it be that someone gets 'dragged along' to a strip club, like a non-drinker might get dragged along to a bar?)
I think that applies more to prostitutes than strippers, tbh. \o.O;/

Is it possible to go once and then to stop going? Or is it a naturally addictive/repetitive behavior, like with the guy I spoke to today, who couldn't stop even after marriage (and after his wife asked him not to go)?
I have no idea.
Why would it be addictive?
But then again, people can get addicted to anything.

How do strip clubs portray women or encourage their patrons to see women?
Not in the best way, I guess.
But any job in which you serve people makes them think in a certain way about you.

Would you be okay with working a strip joint or having your family members/partner working at one?
I'm not sure. I'm too lazy for something so demanding.
Not sure if I'm comfortable about stripping in front of strangers every night, either. hehe
Family members? shrug
Not the best job and I'd probably worry about them, but it's their choice.
Same as someone working as a cop.
I'd be constantly afraid for their safety.

Have you known anybody who goes to strip joints? What are their feelings about the business? (Aside from the happy-in-my-pants feelings. Duh.)
They seem to be pretty respectful towards the women.
Although the people in question attended "health spas" and visited prostitutes, not strippers.

Have you known anybody who works in strip joints? What are their feelings about the business?
Not personally.

Are 'Stag Night' strip parties okay?
Bachelor parties?
Definitely. Why not?

If one is in a committed relationship, is it cheating on one's partner to go to a strip club? Or is it okay?
It's not cheating. Unless the partner disapproves.
Otherwise, it's a break of trust and just low behaviour.

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Well, I'm a woman as well, but I wouldn't mind my boyfriend going to a strip club as long as I accompany him.

Seriously, I don't really have a problem with strip clubs, but in the grand scheme of things, the idea does degrade the woman's image. Yes, there is the saying that tells women to "flaunt what they have" but taking your clothes off and dancing for a stranger for money is basically like throwing yourself away, almost disrespecting yourself by exposing the best thing you have to anyone. But, I can't really just tell people they shouldn't do it(unless I'm related to a stripper). They have their own reasons in participating in the business. Some girls have fun doing it, want money, etc.

Depending on the person, stripping could be acceptable, but women are probably more likely to object to it because they can relate as a woman. Yet, people who accept it aren't necessarily bad people (unless of course they disrespect the woman, then they are a douche).

Concerning whether it's acceptable for a man to visit a strip club and enjoy himself....it depends. Single men who go—sure, why not? Just as long as they treat the woman with respect, it's fine if they visit every once in a while if they're not getting any. Committed men....it's a touchy topic...I want to say that they should talk to their SO, but what if the women refuses? I guess, that is that....Women who accept them aren't exactly better than women who don't either (or vice versa). It's all a matter of preference and good couples will resolve problems involving strip clubs in a peaceful way. There's really no "right" or "wrong".

If my boyfriend went without my knowing, I would be hurt, but then I would force him to go back to the place with me. It would be more of a learning experience going with him, because we like to study and share our opinions concerning the physical qualities of women.

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I don't normally like being serious anymore, but this has piqued my interest. Even if this is a fairly biased questionnaire

What do you think of strip clubs?
I don't really care about them, but getting flustered over them makes me chuckle.

Would you/have you personally enjoyed going to one? If so, why?
Maybe once, but I don't see nudity as something that is all that special or meaningful, so why should I pay after that?

Have you been to one but disliked it? If so, why?
N/A

Would you be okay with your partner going to one?
I would. I wouldn't be in a relationship with someone I didn't trust enough for such a simple thing.

Do YOU think that men's and women's opinions differ on the matter of strip clubs? If so, why?
They aren't always different. I've actually met more women ok with them than against them. As to why? I couldn't say. Maybe they think stripping is degrading? I think the ones that think that just don't know how much money can be made with such a simple show of flesh, for both male and female strippers.

What do you think it says about a person, if they go to strip clubs?
That they want to see something naked? I know what kind of answer you are looking for, but I don't think there is anything morally wrong with going to a strip club.

What do you think it says about a man's opinion of women, if he goes to strip clubs? (And vice versa - for women who go to strip clubs, and their opinion of men?)
There are certainly always exceptions, but I don't think they think any less of them. Maybe the certain ones in the club, but if they were to see them outside said place they wouldn't even know them and it would be reset.

Is going to a strip club more of a 'peer pressure' thing and a social/group activity, or does it also reflect upon the individual's choice to go, even if they're within a group? (Like, say, can it be that someone gets 'dragged along' to a strip club, like a non-drinker might get dragged along to a bar?)
It's a bit of both.

Is it possible to go once and then to stop going? Or is it a naturally addictive/repetitive behavior, like with the guy I spoke to today, who couldn't stop even after marriage (and after his wife asked him not to go)?
People that can get addicted to things like this probably have some other problems/addictions going on as well.

How do strip clubs portray women or encourage their patrons to see women?
Well, isn't that a biased question?

Would you be okay with working a strip joint or having your family members/partner working at one?
Why should I care where they work? As long as they aren't offering any "Extra services".

Have you known anybody who goes to strip joints? What are their feelings about the business? (Aside from the happy-in-my-pants feelings. Duh.)
N/A. I think.

Have you known anybody who works in strip joints? What are their feelings about the business?
N/A

Are 'Stag Night' strip parties okay?
Why not? There are worse alternatives.

If one is in a committed relationship, is it cheating on one's partner to go to a strip club? Or is it okay?
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have you met anyone who screams that: "IM A STRIPPER!!" at the top of their lungs?? none. if you ever become one will you brag about it to your friends? no. if your son/daughter became one them will you be proud? no. then its official its wrong but since this industry has been here in the planet since forever people started accepting it and justifying it, but not me. this is still looking at a person in an obscene, malicious way, not only women, but also men, because apparently there are also men strippers.. objectifying is just very insulting.. and who would want that if they have a better choice? seriously, people where's the argument in this?? 🤣

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For me, I'm a girl, I take a "look but don't touch" approach to that kind of thing. I would be pretty mad if my partner didn't tell me that he was doing that, though. :< I'd feel like they didn't trust me at all....

But meh, strip clubs are nbd to me as long as they're not fondling the strippers.

I dunno how guys feel about girls letting them go to those kinds of things. Do they think their girlfriends are too uncaring and thus not worth it? I certainly would hope they didn't think that of me. :<

What do you think of strip clubs?

Errm...They are just another kind of business

Would you/have you personally enjoyed going to one? If so, why?

Surely, never went to one but seeing girls dancing is already good, seeing naked girls dancing? Amazing.

Have you been to one but disliked it? If so, why?

Never been.

Would you be okay with your partner going to one?

I don't smile at the ideia but it's not like I wouldn't let her go

What do you think it says about a person, if they go to strip clubs?

Humm, they have money and they want to see naked girls dancing.

What do you think it says about a man's opinion of women, if he goes to strip clubs? (And vice versa - for women who go to strip clubs, and their opinion of men?)

It tells nothing on how a guy thinks about women if he goes or not to a strip club.

Is going to a strip club more of a 'peer pressure' thing and a social/group activity, or does it also reflect upon the individual's choice to go, even if they're within a group? (Like, say, can it be that someone gets 'dragged along' to a strip club, like a non-drinker might get dragged along to a bar?)

A bit of both

Is it possible to go once and then to stop going? Or is it a naturally addictive/repetitive behavior, like with the guy I spoke to today, who couldn't stop even after marriage (and after his wife asked him not to go)?

Getting addicted to strippers? Hardly. This guy you talked with is a men among men, he goes to strip clubs instead of cheating and even tells his wife about it. A very good behavior, the wife accepts it because she knows she is lucky. Thinking otherwise is just naivety.

How do strip clubs portray women or encourage their patrons to see women?

They don't portray women in general, they portray the strippers, how could they do otherwise?
What it tells about the strippers? They are women that probably have no academic formation and don't want to do harsher jobs for a lower salary, so they go stripper. It is also true that most of them have no problem with being a stripper, if they had they wouldn't be one.

Would you be okay with working a strip joint or having your family members/partner working at one?

If they had no problem with it, no.

Have you known anybody who goes to strip joints? What are their feelings about the business? (Aside from the happy-in-my-pants feelings. Duh.)

Yes, their opinion is the same as mine.

Have you known anybody who works in strip joints? What are their feelings about the business?

Not a stripper but a prostitute. What she thinks about it? Her work is an honest one and she does it because she wants to, no one can judge her and she is pretty sensitive about judgements.

Are 'Stag Night' strip parties okay?

At this point my answer is obvious

If one is in a committed relationship, is it cheating on one's partner to go to a strip club? Or is it okay?

It's obviously not cheating.

What do you think of strip clubs?

A place where the weak and feeble minded perverts with no self esteem go? I'm talking about the customers. I apologize to people who went to strip clubs.

The strippers themselves are admirable business people. They know how to use their body and take advantage of people's weakness.

Would you/have you personally enjoyed going to one? If so, why?

Never went.

Have you been to one but disliked it? If so, why?

Never went and never will

Would you be okay with your partner going to one?

sure.

What do you think it says about a person, if they go to strip clubs?

answered in question 1

What do you think it says about a man's opinion of women, if he goes to strip clubs? (And vice versa - for women who go to strip clubs, and their opinion of men?)

IF men who goes to strip clubs are pigs and so are the women who goes.

Is going to a strip club more of a 'peer pressure' thing and a social/group activity, or does it also reflect upon the individual's choice to go, even if they're within a group? (Like, say, can it be that someone gets 'dragged along' to a strip club, like a non-drinker might get dragged along to a bar?)

I don't hang around friends who goes to strip clubs so I wouldn't know

Is it possible to go once and then to stop going? Or is it a naturally addictive/repetitive behavior, like with the guy I spoke to today, who couldn't stop even after marriage (and after his wife asked him not to go)?

Only people who can't control themselves

How do strip clubs portray women or encourage their patrons to see women?

As art, object, slave to social category and sexist attitudes

Would you be okay with working a strip joint or having your family members/partner working at one?

Sure. I don't care as long as they aren't doing it out of anything else but business and money.

Have you known anybody who goes to strip joints? What are their feelings about the business? (Aside from the happy-in-my-pants feelings. Duh.)

Yes, but they aren't my friends because they are sort of losers who jerks off after work next to their computer and goes to the club weekly on Saturday nights.

Have you known anybody who works in strip joints? What are their feelings about the business?

Yes, they like the power of luring men into giving them money. Hell they don't even have to do anything but give a little skin and let them touch you.

Are 'Stag Night' strip parties okay?

that's a nasty thing in my opinion

If one is in a committed relationship, is it cheating on one's partner to go to a strip club? Or is it okay?

yep.

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

I've never been.

Will I? Maybe, maybe not.

The only interesting thing I've heard was from a professor who's daughter worked as a dancer for one of these establishments. One day he went to his daughter's work place to pick her up (might have been just to see her... not that way), and he said the the ambiance, "reeked of lust and hatred of women."

It might have been his bias as a father or a general opinion of the place, but it wasn't that long of a discussion on the subject to find out which it was.

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What do you think of strip clubs?

They exist, and I don't mind their existence, but I'm not inclined to go by myself. I'd seriously consider going on a single occasion with friends, but I suspect I'd mostly just feel uncomfortable.

Would you/have you personally enjoyed going to one? If so, why?

I have never been..

Have you been to one but disliked it? If so, why?

N/A

Would you be okay with your partner going to one?

Most likely? It would depend on where my relationship was at and the occasion. If I suspected my partner of cheating, or if she was going by herself, I wouldn't feel okay, but if it were for some sort of bachelorette party I wouldn't mind.

What do you think it says about a person, if they go to strip clubs?

Again, it depends on the situation. Going with a group is often a traditional celebration, or a new experience. Going by ones self seems like the territory of the extremely lonely, or particularly shameless and motivated men (As the internet caters both to privacy and convenience).

What do you think it says about a man's opinion of women, if he goes to strip clubs? (And vice versa - for women who go to strip clubs, and their opinion of men?)

I'm not a mind reader, and I'm loathe to overgeneralize. The "lonely" man archetype probably sees women as fairly unobtainable, so much so he's willing to pay for their attention. Such a man might have unrealistic standards or beliefs about women, but aren't characteristic of objectification. The shameless man? Well... yeah, he's probably some sort of chauvinist, but it's probably better he's going to an actual establishment rather than spending his time as a sex offender. Men who go in a group, or with their girlfriends, or for a party may just be going to satisfy curiosity or follow a tradition, and their opinion may be more like mine, that the women are entertainers performing their job to make money, and their job happens to involve showing skin. There's also dragged along guy, who probably hates all women currently because he was just dumped. It's probably unfair to use him as a basis.

For my opinions of women at male strip clubs, just switch the genders around. Women would fall into the same archetypes as men.

Is going to a strip club more of a 'peer pressure' thing and a social/group activity, or does it also reflect upon the individual's choice to go, even if they're within a group? (Like, say, can it be that someone gets 'dragged along' to a strip club, like a non-drinker might get dragged along to a bar?)

It can be? This question really generalizes behavior too much. It can be peer pressure, and it can reflect upon the individual's choice in a group. So... Yes.

Is it possible to go once and then to stop going? Or is it a naturally addictive/repetitive behavior, like with the guy I spoke to today, who couldn't stop even after marriage (and after his wife asked him not to go)?

It's definitely possible, and it's not a naturally addictive/repetitive behavior. Your friend is an exception to the rule, an outlier, and men, just like women, don't share a hive mind nor are they carbon copies of each other. You should probably stop overgeneralizing so much. Women can be sexist too.

How do strip clubs portray women or encourage their patrons to see women?

Strip clubs obviously emphasize sexuality. They bill women as a feature, but some may emphasize the performance aspect while others will objectify them ("Live Nudes" doesn't even sound human anymore). Either way, though, a strip club will portray women as a product and that's unavoidable, but this is true in other mediums which are not criticised for this behaviour. Though some do it very poorly, as I said.

Would you be okay with working a strip joint or having your family members/partner working at one?

If they genuinely want to strip, and aren't wasting their talents, perhaps it would be best. If they're instead being coerced or find themselves forced by circumstances, I'd probably want to help them avoid it.

As for me stripping? I get stage fright. And I'm uncomfortable with my body image. But that's not really related to your question.

Have you known anybody who goes to strip joints? What are their feelings about the business? (Aside from the happy-in-my-pants feelings. Duh.)

I know people who have GONE to strip clubs, but nobody who goes regularly. Most of the people I know simply view them as a sort of novelty or curiosity, but I doubt any of them would think that going to a strip club has made them view women as objects to be bought, sold, and otherwise used to fulfill their desires. In fact, that's really an insane way to think. Who originally suggested that sexually packed materials caused sociopathy, exactly?

Have you known anybody who works in strip joints? What are their feelings about the business?

No. N/A

Are 'Stag Night' strip parties okay?

Sure. As long as the bride is aware, and things stop at stripping. It's mostly just a tradition.

If one is in a committed relationship, is it cheating on one's partner to go to a strip club? Or is it okay?

If the partner knows about it, and isn't bothered, it's fine. If one needs to hide it from their partner, or the partner doesn't think it's okay, then it can be considered infidelity, but I'd only consider it CHEATING if intercourse takes place. Semantics, I know, and infidelity is still enough to call off a marriage in my opinion.

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Lol at this topic.

Sure strip clubs objectify woman as sexual objects.
Sure the women who work there might be working there for terrible reasons.

But THEY choose to do it. They have their own reasons for doing it, and if it's alright with them, then yours and my opinion doesn't matter.

It doesn't ruin the community like dealing drugs. It's nowhere as bad a prostitution. Therefore it's not prima facie wrong.

Have you ever had a conversation with a stripper? Ask them what they feel about it. More than likely they'll say they're just dealing with the BS till they get to where they need to be. Some don't even care and they're all about the money. I can respect that.

Like honestly. Go to a strip club. Get to know a stripper. They ARE people, and they usually don't have a sad and pathetic story like you think they do. Some go to college. I personally know a woman that used to be a stripper and owns a modeling business now, and she hooked me up with a promoting job with coca-cola. #bow

It's not a matter of whether or not it's wrong or not wrong, because you and I are on the outside looking in. Those who are actually doing it have the only opinion that actually matters. All these people have they're own story, and the last thing these women are in need of is your pity.

PS: I've gone to a strip club with my female friends, and they were tipping more than me. Lol, maybe it was an empathy thing...

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If you are not in a relationship, game on. Have fun to your heart's content. But if you are, I view it as a slap in the face to your partner because it sends a message that they do not satisfy your lusts.

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Like honestly. Go to a strip club. Get to know a stripper. They ARE people, and they usually don't have a sad and pathetic story like you think they do. Some go to college. I personally know a woman that used to be a stripper and owns a modeling business now, and she hooked me up with a promoting job with coca-cola. #bow

It's not a matter of whether or not it's wrong or not wrong, because you and I are on the outside looking in. Those who are actually doing it have the only opinion that actually matters. All these people have they're own story, and the last thing these women are in need of is your pity.

PS: I've gone to a strip club with my female friends, and they were tipping more than me. Lol, maybe it was an empathy thing...

Yeah I knew a girl who was a stripper and she was pretty much just a normal girl- not whorish or anything. I personally don't know if I'd be comfortable going to a club like that just 'cause it'd be kinda awkward. But I don't really get when people equate strippers to actual whores. To me that's just kinda...ignorant

i have never been in a strip club, and i dont know if it will happen in the future, but its just a place to have some "fun" or whatever, im a male, and if a see a good looking body i would like to watch it for a bit ^^

and touch it i would if i could hahaha, but hey thats just me.

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Yeah I knew a girl who was a stripper and she was pretty much just a normal girl- not whorish or anything. I personally don't know if I'd be comfortable going to a club like that just 'cause it'd be kinda awkward. But I don't really get when people equate strippers to actual whores. To me that's just kinda...ignorant

Well sometimes they actually are. I've actually known two (friends of a friend) and they prostituted at the side. Knowing that I personally would not want my partner going to a strip club.