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The only interesting thing I've heard was from a professor who's daughter worked as a dancer for one of these establishments. One day he went to his daughter's work place to pick her up (might have been just to see her... not that way), and he said the the ambiance, "reeked of lust and hatred of women."

It might have been his bias as a father or a general opinion of the place, but it wasn't that long of a discussion on the subject to find out which it was.

This is very telling. Thanks so much for relating the anecdote! It reveals that when someone's actually LOVES another person, they wouldn't want them stripping, because at some level they know that it's degrading/hurtful to the person who's doing it, even if the person doesn't admit it themselves.

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The only interesting thing I've heard was from a professor who's daughter worked as a dancer for one of these establishments. One day he went to his daughter's work place to pick her up (might have been just to see her... not that way), and he said the the ambiance, "reeked of lust and hatred of women."

It might have been his bias as a father or a general opinion of the place, but it wasn't that long of a discussion on the subject to find out which it was.

This is very telling. Thanks so much for relating the anecdote! It reveals that when someone's actually LOVES another person, they wouldn't want them stripping, because at some level they know that it's degrading/hurtful to the person who's doing it, even if the person doesn't admit it themselves.

Except that's not always true. I LOVE my family and still wouldn't have a single problem with them stripping. It's their choice, why should I care? And pitying them is even worse.

But hey, we all have our own preconceived notions of what is right and what isn't, I'm not arrogant enough(surprisingly) to think I can change yours. Just remember that one situation does not mean the rest follow suit.

I don't usually even look at the posts in this part of the forums - but since it's your topic, tartufo, of course I'm going to reply! 🙂

First of all; I'm a female, 20 years old, Asian. I voted for the last option. (Just in case you're curious ^^)

What do you think of strip clubs?
I don't condone their existence in any way, but if people want to be so lust-driven...then let them, I say! After all, I'm never going to be a stripper (not even if I die of starvation!), nor am I ever gonna go to such a messed up place, so what should it matter to me?

Would you/have you personally enjoyed going to one? If so, why?
Nope. I'd rather die. But my parents would probably kill me first 🤣

Have you been to one but disliked it? If so, why?
I don't have to have been in one to know that I'll dislike it. I'm asexual (I'm pretty sure, anyway >.<), so I hate seeing people naked! Whether they're males or females isn't the issue.

Would you be okay with your partner going to one?
Don't have one. Probably never going to have one. So this question doesn't really apply to me.

Do YOU think that men's and women's opinions differ on the matter of strip clubs? If so, why?
No, I don't think so. I mean, women might hate female strippers, but I there are male ones too, right? And they'll like those 😉 Lust is lust, and I don't think how perverted (or not) you are depends on your gender.
On the other hand, I do support the theory that men are more openly expressive about sexual desires than women are. So even if a woman secretly enjoys visits to a strip club, she might not want to be as straightforward about admitting to it as a man is. But once again, it should be kept in mind that this is a generalization. We all know that there are men who are shy about sex and women who are extremely open about it, so it's by no means applicable to everyone. And I'm certain that culture, nationality, societal norms and one's home environment play a much more important role than gender does; but I don't want to go into that kind of thing here.

What do you think it says about a person, if they go to strip clubs?
That I'd never want to be involved with them in any way. He/she isn't the kind of person I'd ever get along with. I don't need to think any further than that.

What do you think it says about a man's opinion of women, if he goes to strip clubs? (And vice versa - for women who go to strip clubs, and their opinion of men?)
Nothing in particular. That you get turned on watching naked members of the opposite gender is what it means to be heterosexual. It isn't your opinion of the gender itself that is being expressed here. You're just sex-starved and craving some eye-candy which you can buy simply by blowing that month's paycheck 🙂

Is going to a strip club more of a 'peer pressure' thing and a social/group activity, or does it also reflect upon the individual's choice to go, even if they're within a group? (Like, say, can it be that someone gets 'dragged along' to a strip club, like a non-drinker might get dragged along to a bar?)
Very possibly some people are influence by peer pressure the first time. But whether that first time remains the only time or not depends entirely on the person. Even if it happens once by force, he/she should have the presence of mind to never get with those kinds of 'friends' again - especially when they're in that part of town. And if you just keep going to strip clubs repeatedly afterwards because "your buddies keep forcing you", that either means you're a miserable spineless coward who can't stand up for yourself...or else you're just blaming your own perversion on your friends. (Most likely the latter 😉 )

Is it possible to go once and then to stop going? Or is it a naturally addictive/repetitive behavior, like with the guy I spoke to today, who couldn't stop even after marriage (and after his wife asked him not to go)?
Once more, I'm pretty sure it depends on the person. You know how some people can quit smoking / drinking / gambling whenever they want , but most people can't - even though they know it's gonna cause them a painful death some day? It's that kind of thing. Some people are just more prone to addiction than others. Addiction to sexual pleasure is, psychologically and physiologically, very much similar to substance addiction.

How do strip clubs portray women or encourage their patrons to see women?
I highly doubt that the clubs themselves encourage anyone to formulate any solid opinions on anything. People who go there, and people who work there, have always supported the idea of buying others and the 'pleasure' it can bring them. In other words - lust gave birth to prostitution, stripping and the like. Not the other way around.

Would you be okay with working a strip joint or having your family members working at one?
NO! If someone in my family worked at such a place, they would be immediately disowned. My family is very strict. (And I like it that way, just so you know) And really, I find it impossible to imagine myself or anyone from my family doing such a thing. They're all more or less like me.

Have you known anybody who goes to strip joints? What are their feelings about the business? (Aside from the happy-in-my-pants feelings. Duh.)
Nope. Seriously, I don't associate such people. And if I found out that someone I knew was like that, I'd never chat with them comfortably about anything...let alone what they think of strippers! I already know what they feel (it's really almost always the one you mentioned lol), so why should I ask just to have my nose rubbed in it?

Have you known anybody who works in strip joints? What are their feelings about the business?
See previous answer.

Are 'Stag Night' strip parties okay?
Sorry, but I have no idea what those are 😀 And no, don't tell me! 🤣

If one is in a committed relationship, is it cheating on one's partner to go to a strip club? Or is it okay?
In my eyes, it's cheating and a total insult to you partner; there are no two words about it. But that doesn't matter to me. It's his / her partner's problem, not mine. Whether they want to break up / divorce is their decision. (And hey, who knows? Maybe the other person likes his / her eyeful of a stripper too, every now and then. In which case they have absolutely no right to complain about anything!)

This brings me to a piece of advice I wanted to give you, tartufo: Don't interfere in your friends' married life. Even if the wife confides in you, just listen and say you'll support her in whatever decision she makes; but don't diss strippers, strip clubs or her husband. And I don't think it wise to argue with the husband anymore either. If he doesn't give a damn about what his wife says, why would he listen to you? If this relationship goes south (or maybe even if it works out), there's a high chance that both of them will see you as an enemy and tell other people that you like to wreck people's love affairs or something. I'm sure you have the best intentions, but really; broken hearts can divert their rage and disappointment in the strangest of directions. Don't let your goodwill give them an opportunity to vent their frustrations on you!

And if you thought that last paragraph was me being waaay too bossy, feel free to ignore it 😃

What do you think of strip clubs?
I like them. They take your mind off of troubles that you're going through (Even if it is temporarily), and it's a place to just lay back and have fun.

Would you/have you personally enjoyed going to one? If so, why?
I have, it was my birthday and my friends all pitched in to give me a surprise party over there. I had a lot of fun at the party(Not too much though, I wanted to be conscious the whole time 🤣 )

Have you been to one but disliked it? If so, why?
Nope all of the ones I've went to I've enjoyed.

Would you be okay with your partner going to one?
I'd feel a bit uncomfortable at first, but at long as she doesn't cheat on me, then it's all cool.

Do YOU think that men's and women's opinions differ on the matter of strip clubs? If so, why?
I don't think the opinions differ just on sex. I think it's more on preference and their mindset, because some men like them and some don't, and the same goes for women.

What do you think it says about a person, if they go to strip clubs?
Doesn't really say anything, because all types of people go to strip clubs. Can't really generalize someone off of just that.

What do you think it says about a man's opinion of women, if he goes to strip clubs? (And vice versa - for women who go to strip clubs, and their opinion of men?)
Like I typed earlier, it depends on their preference and their mindset.

Is going to a strip club more of a 'peer pressure' thing and a social/group activity, or does it also reflect upon the individual's choice to go, even if they're within a group? (Like, say, can it be that someone gets 'dragged along' to a strip club, like a non-drinker might get dragged along to a bar?)
It's actually both. It all depends on what type of people you hang out with. Me personally, I didn't get pressured into it when I first went because I wanted to see how a strip club was like.

Is it possible to go once and then to stop going? Or is it a naturally addictive/repetitive behavior, like with the guy I spoke to today, who couldn't stop even after marriage (and after his wife asked him not to go)?
I know I keep repeating this over and over (And I'll probably do it again after this), but it all depends on their mindset. Some people go once and never go back, others go over and over and over (Like that guy you spoke to), others go every once in a while, and others don't go at all.

How do strip clubs portray women or encourage their patrons to see women?
When I went to one, they treated them with respect. There were rules that were posted by the entrance and the bouncers and strippers also reminded you in case you forget. But the people over there also treated you with respect because at the end of the day, a strip club is a business and the strippers and bouncers are all workers. And if you don't treat your customers or employees with respect, then you won't have a business anymore.

Would you be okay with working a strip joint or having your family members/partner working at one?
With family members, I'd feel uncomfortable knowing that they work there, but I'd respect their choice (I certainly wouldn't go to the strip club that they were working at). With a partner it depends if I knew that they were a stripper before I got with them or not. With me, I'd only be okay with working as a bouncer or a bartender at one. I'm much too sexy to be working as a stripper. 🤣

Have you known anybody who goes to strip joints? What are their feelings about the business? (Aside from the happy-in-my-pants feelings. Duh.)
All of the people I know are pretty neutral about it. As long as they have fun, then they couldn't care less about what happens over there business-wise.

Have you known anybody who works in strip joints? What are their feelings about the business?
Not really, but I know that a friend of a friend works at the one I went to.

Are 'Stag Night' strip parties okay?
Yeah, but like I typed so many times before it all depends of what kind of people you hang out with.

If one is in a committed relationship, is it cheating on one's partner to go to a strip club? Or is it okay?
I personally don't think it's cheating because it's not any worse than looking at porn.

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The only interesting thing I've heard was from a professor who's daughter worked as a dancer for one of these establishments. One day he went to his daughter's work place to pick her up (might have been just to see her... not that way), and he said the the ambiance, "reeked of lust and hatred of women."

It might have been his bias as a father or a general opinion of the place, but it wasn't that long of a discussion on the subject to find out which it was.

This is very telling. Thanks so much for relating the anecdote! It reveals that when someone's actually LOVES another person, they wouldn't want them stripping, because at some level they know that it's degrading/hurtful to the person who's doing it, even if the person doesn't admit it themselves.

This is a prime example of bias. You've chosen to listen to this specific example because it agree with what you already believe.

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The only interesting thing I've heard was from a professor who's daughter worked as a dancer for one of these establishments. One day he went to his daughter's work place to pick her up (might have been just to see her... not that way), and he said the the ambiance, "reeked of lust and hatred of women."

It might have been his bias as a father or a general opinion of the place, but it wasn't that long of a discussion on the subject to find out which it was.

This is very telling. Thanks so much for relating the anecdote! It reveals that when someone's actually LOVES another person, they wouldn't want them stripping, because at some level they know that it's degrading/hurtful to the person who's doing it, even if the person doesn't admit it themselves.

This is a prime example of bias. You've chosen to listen to this specific example because it agree with what you already believe.

This girl has a present father who cares about her, that goes to her job to pick her up, and you say that she is doing a job that hurts and degrades her?Why?Masochism? She obviously have options and if she tough it was hurtful or degrading she wouldn't do it. And no, you nor her father knows more about her than herself.
The rest is just the second paragraph from Identity Crisis post

Edit: Ah, I forgot to congratulate you for the topic. Cool matter and the questionnaire was a great ideia. Looking forward more of your topics(and one that we have the same opinion 🤣 )

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Would you be okay with your partner going to one?

sure.

If one is in a committed relationship, is it cheating on one's partner to go to a strip club? Or is it okay?

yep.

Your answers are contradicting. You'll be OKAY with your partner going to a strip joint but it is considered cheating? Or maybe you're answering "yup" to the second part lol